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#196478
Now as we head to Europe and we'll have less rainy races, it's going to BE less of a gamble and more racing I think. ALthough it will mean boring races

What country do you live in?

I believe you ask it because of my English. Sorry for the typos, though I think I'm not that bad

Ya speak better English than most English folk I see on the 'net.
#196484
The Chinese GP is the first race I really enjoyed; plenty of overtaking, enjoyed the Schumacher/Hamilton and Schumacher/Vettel battles but I can't help but think that Michael has bitten off more than he can chew coming back to F1 at 41 years of ages being comprehensively beaten by his team mate and moving backward from the start. JB made another amazing strategic call to stay out on slicks which ultimately won the race, Lewis did a fantastic job given his four stops to finish second. But I still have the lingering thought that it was only exciting to watch because of the changeable weather conditions, if it was dry; would it has been such a great race?
#196492
... if it was dry; would it has been such a great race?

No...
#196498
The Chinese GP is the first race I really enjoyed; plenty of overtaking, enjoyed the Schumacher/Hamilton and Schumacher/Vettel battles but I can't help but think that Michael has bitten off more than he can chew coming back to F1 at 41 years of ages being comprehensively beaten by his team mate and moving backward from the start. JB made another amazing strategic call to stay out on slicks which ultimately won the race, Lewis did a fantastic job given his four stops to finish second. But I still have the lingering thought that it was only exciting to watch because of the changeable weather conditions, if it was dry; would it has been such a great race?

Seriously I don't understand how people say now that Button is a genius for making that decision. At that point no one knew wheter it was going to rain or not at that point. Teams were 50/50 about it and told one driver to come in and another to stay out, if Jenson doesen't have a sixth sense about what the weather is going to do - it was pure luck. First laps you saw drivers with intermediates (wrong spelling probably) overtaking others from left and right, then it stopped raining and they had to change back - pure bingo. Australia was a different case, because the track was drying and no rain was coming so the call was on driver's instincts whether you can make a better lap on dry tires or not. He felt the track is dry enough, made the decision, made a correct one and won the race - perfect. Now that was not the case in China, I believe.

Now as we head to Europe and we'll have less rainy races, it's going to BE less of a gamble and more racing I think. ALthough it will mean boring races

What country do you live in?

I believe you ask it because of my English. Sorry for the typos, though I think I'm not that bad

No no, coz you think it doesn't rain in Europe.
It certainly does here in the UK.



I live in Estonia and we have plenty of rainy days here ;D. I'm saying it's more unlikely to rain at Barcelona, Turkey, Valencia etc. But we'll see ;D as the climate is so unpredictable lately
#196500
Seriously I don't understand how people say now that Button is a genius for making that decision. At that point no one knew wheter it was going to rain or not at that point. Teams were 50/50 about it and told one driver to come in and another to stay out, if Jenson doesen't have a sixth sense about what the weather is going to do - it was pure luck. First laps you saw drivers with intermediates (wrong spelling probably) overtaking others from left and right, then it stopped raining and they had to change back - pure bingo. Australia was a different case, because the track was drying and no rain was coming so the call was on driver's instincts whether you can make a better lap on dry tires or not. He felt the track is dry enough, made the decision, made a correct one and won the race - perfect. Now that was not the case in China, I believe.

Very well said! :yes: And by the way, Button wasn't the only one makeing that "lucky" call. Rosberg did the same. He only did a small mistake, and the Button overtook him...
#196514
Seriously I don't understand how people say now that Button is a genius for making that decision. At that point no one knew wheter it was going to rain or not at that point. Teams were 50/50 about it and told one driver to come in and another to stay out, if Jenson doesen't have a sixth sense about what the weather is going to do - it was pure luck. First laps you saw drivers with intermediates (wrong spelling probably) overtaking others from left and right, then it stopped raining and they had to change back - pure bingo. Australia was a different case, because the track was drying and no rain was coming so the call was on driver's instincts whether you can make a better lap on dry tires or not. He felt the track is dry enough, made the decision, made a correct one and won the race - perfect. Now that was not the case in China, I believe.

Very well said! :yes: And by the way, Button wasn't the only one makeing that "lucky" call. Rosberg did the same. He only did a small mistake, and the Button overtook him...

You guys are unbelievable.
#196519
The Chinese GP is the first race I really enjoyed; plenty of overtaking, enjoyed the Schumacher/Hamilton and Schumacher/Vettel battles but I can't help but think that Michael has bitten off more than he can chew coming back to F1 at 41 years of ages being comprehensively beaten by his team mate and moving backward from the start. JB made another amazing strategic call to stay out on slicks which ultimately won the race, Lewis did a fantastic job given his four stops to finish second. But I still have the lingering thought that it was only exciting to watch because of the changeable weather conditions, if it was dry; would it has been such a great race?

Seriously I don't understand how people say now that Button is a genius for making that decision. At that point no one knew wheter it was going to rain or not at that point. Teams were 50/50 about it and told one driver to come in and another to stay out, if Jenson doesen't have a sixth sense about what the weather is going to do - it was pure luck. First laps you saw drivers with intermediates (wrong spelling probably) overtaking others from left and right, then it stopped raining and they had to change back - pure bingo. Australia was a different case, because the track was drying and no rain was coming so the call was on driver's instincts whether you can make a better lap on dry tires or not. He felt the track is dry enough, made the decision, made a correct one and won the race - perfect. Now that was not the case in China, I believe.

I never said he was a genius but he did make the decision (along with Rosberg) and it ultimately won him the race; F1 is sometimes about taking risks and you have to admit that Button did brilliantly to keep the car on the black stuff during that difficult time in the race, Jenson has shown that he is good in the wet, certainly up there with the best!
#196521
Seriously I don't understand how people say now that Button is a genius for making that decision. At that point no one knew wheter it was going to rain or not at that point. Teams were 50/50 about it and told one driver to come in and another to stay out, if Jenson doesen't have a sixth sense about what the weather is going to do - it was pure luck. First laps you saw drivers with intermediates (wrong spelling probably) overtaking others from left and right, then it stopped raining and they had to change back - pure bingo. Australia was a different case, because the track was drying and no rain was coming so the call was on driver's instincts whether you can make a better lap on dry tires or not. He felt the track is dry enough, made the decision, made a correct one and won the race - perfect. Now that was not the case in China, I believe.

Very well said! :yes: And by the way, Button wasn't the only one makeing that "lucky" call. Rosberg did the same. He only did a small mistake, and the Button overtook him...

You guys are unbelievable.

Well then make an arguments against our arguments. Maybe I'll change my mind
#196525
I'm not saying Button is a bad driver.... Indeed he is good (he is a world champion!!!) But I notice that sometimes other drivers/team don't get the credits they deserve.
And again, what Button/Rosberg... did at the beging (staying on slicks) was a lucky call! It was risky, and because they are good drivers they managed to stay on track. I don't see the point to disagree that that specific thing wasn't luck!
#196529
just watched the race. crackin race!!
2 questions, why exactly did the safety car come out the 2nd time?
and also, i always thought the pit lane was closed when the SC was out. how come they were all able to pit durin the first SC?
#196530
just watched the race. crackin race!!
2 questions, why exactly did the safety car come out the 2nd time?
and also, i always thought the pit lane was closed when the SC was out. how come they were all able to pit durin the first SC?

It came out because the Chinese Marshals are not very experienced because there's little to no local motorsport in China, unlike, say, Europe.
The Pit Lane, as of last year, is not closed during the Safety Car Periods, but drivers must not go faster than pre-defined sector times on their way round and into the pits. These pre-determined sector times are called the Sector or Lap Deltas. If a driver does a time in a sector below the Delta on the way to the pits, they will be penalised.
#196531
just watched the race. crackin race!!
2 questions, why exactly did the safety car come out the 2nd time?
and also, i always thought the pit lane was closed when the SC was out. how come they were all able to pit durin the first SC?

the 2nd time the SC came out, was because there was debris (bits of carbon/parts of cars) on the track.
#196534
just watched the race. crackin race!!
2 questions, why exactly did the safety car come out the 2nd time?
and also, i always thought the pit lane was closed when the SC was out. how come they were all able to pit durin the first SC?

It came out because the Chinese Marshals are not very experienced because there's little to no local motorsport in China, unlike, say, Europe.
The Pit Lane, as of last year, is not closed during the Safety Car Periods, but drivers must not go faster than pre-defined sector times on their way round and into the pits. These pre-determined sector times are called the Sector or Lap Deltas. If a driver does a time in a sector below the Delta on the way to the pits, they will be penalised.


Thanks! I saw some debris and thought there must be more than just that, but yes i see what your sayin!
thanks, for clearing that up about the pit lane also!
I really did enjoy the race, and lots of good overtaking! The hamilton overtake on the 2 red bulls if i remember rightly, was brilliant.
hope they get the cars back into Europe early enough to work on.
Nico doin well which im pleased bout!
#196535
Thanks! I saw some debris and thought there must be more than just that, but yes i see what your sayin!
thanks, for clearing that up about the pit lane also!

No problem matey :thumbup:
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