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[scotty]

Yes I watched. He turned into Button.

Ha! Good one. I get it now, you're trying to bait me and are just out trying to start an argument. So much for DD making that sticky post eh?

[darwin dali]

Yes I watched. He turned into Button.

Ha! Good one. I get it now, you're trying to bait me and are just out trying to start an argument. So much for DD making that sticky post eh?

Baiting?

Massa doesn't deserve any endorsement when he is so blatantly being outperformed by Alonso.

Pot calling kettle black I'd say

[racechick]

Yes I watched. He turned into Button.

Ha! Good one. I get it now, you're trying to bait me and are just out trying to start an argument. So much for DD making that sticky post eh?

Im not trying to wind you up. I think Massa is doing better. And Im not argueing, Im giving my opinion.
check out the comments next to the second picture.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1261309/AUSTRALIA-GP-2010-LIVE-Lap-lap-action-F1-drama-unfolds-Melbourne.html

[scotty]

I wasn't trying to start any arguments, as you can see below i've actually given pretty fair reasoning for my opinions rather than just outright statements with no viable basis. So don't try and turn this one on me.

Alonso drove from the back in Australia and had a gearbox problem today and in both races was easily up behind Massa.

Yes I watched. He turned into Button.

Ha! Good one. I get it now, you're trying to bait me and are just out trying to start an argument. So much for DD making that sticky post eh?

Im not trying to wind you up. I think Massa is doing better. And Im not argueing, Im giving my opinion.
check out the comments next to the second picture.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1261309/AUSTRALIA-GP-2010-LIVE-Lap-lap-action-F1-drama-unfolds-Melbourne.html

You're going off a Daily Fail photo caption here? That incident was a racing incident in a spot notorious for them - and that still totally discounts his recovery!

Why was he at the back last week??

...and if you weren't trying to start an argument then what's with the faux-naivety here?

[darwin dali]

Are we a wee bit testy today?

[racechick]

I wasn't trying to start any arguments, as you can see below i've actually given pretty fair reasoning for my opinions rather than just outright statements with no viable basis. So don't try and turn this one on me.

Alonso drove from the back in Australia and had a gearbox problem today and in both races was easily up behind Massa.

Yes I watched. He turned into Button.

Ha! Good one. I get it now, you're trying to bait me and are just out trying to start an argument. So much for DD making that sticky post eh?

Im not trying to wind you up. I think Massa is doing better. And Im not argueing, Im giving my opinion.
check out the comments next to the second picture.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-1261309/AUSTRALIA-GP-2010-LIVE-Lap-lap-action-F1-drama-unfolds-Melbourne.html

You're going off a Daily Fail photo caption here? That incident was a racing incident in a spot notorious for them - and that still totally discounts his recovery!

Why was he at the back last week??

...and if you weren't trying to start an argument then what's with the faux-naivety here?

I was pointing out that the reason he was at the back was to a certain extent down to an error he made (as the article points out-ok daily mail fair enough, but Eddie Jordan made the same point)You are right, he made a good recovery-so did Massa today.

[bmwpower]

Massa doesn't deserve any endorsement when he is so blatantly being outperformed by Alonso.

Hang on ....who's leading the drivers championship at the moment???

Erm, Alonso drove from the back in Australia and had a gearbox problem today and in both races was easily up behind Massa. You really think that table is telling the whole story so far? I hope for your sake that you don't honestly think that

Erm, I am not saying his underrated career is based on one race but the last three seasons , not arguing about who's better, just saying that the last three teammates he had, he seemed to be the one Ferrari and their fans are ignoring.

[bmwpower]

lol yeah because massa did sod all apart from sit behind a torro rosso until it pitted then he just drove as fast as he car could go.

Lewis overtook alot of cars.

Alonso was putting faster laps than him with a broken gearbox.

Mmm, once again, I am basing his Massa's career on the last three team mates and how Ferrari has him under the rader, not basing it on one race. BTW, Lewis did overtook a lot of cars and in the process overcooked his tires forcing him to watch Sutil because he's got no tires to pass him.

[bmwpower]

Massa doesn't deserve any endorsement when he is so blatantly being outperformed by Alonso.

Hang on ....who's leading the drivers championship at the moment???

Erm, Alonso drove from the back in Australia and had a gearbox problem today and in both races was easily up behind Massa. You really think that table is telling the whole story so far? I hope for your sake that you don't honestly think that

No I realise the table doesnt tell the whole story. Why was he at the back last week??

I do agreed with your point but if you look at this season, its not hard to move up from the back if you are one of the top three teams. The rest of the field is about 2-4 seconds slower, its went they approach between 5th-8th place that they have a harder time but the rest are stationary cars to make the top drivers look really good.

[r_sardell]

I feel that Ferrari is doing a pretty good job so far in the season and though Alonso had a rough race, in no way does it constitute to his performance which is why the drivers standing should be disregarded at this point in time.

Massa is a proven driver, not necesarily champion material, but thats my opinion.

That being said, Massa is definitely underpaid (2009 salary)

[IceManpjn]

no, but he did mange to overtake the torro rosso at least.

...and would have been overtaken by FM had the race gone on for another couple laps

That isn't guaranteed anywhere. That's only speculation. Riding up on someone's rear is one thing, but getting around them afterward is another. He could very well have spent a few more laps tailing Hamilton and never actually making a pass, or trying to pass and it not quite sticking.

[Gaz]

lol yeah because massa did sod all apart from sit behind a torro rosso until it pitted then he just drove as fast as he car could go.

Lewis overtook alot of cars.

Alonso was putting faster laps than him with a broken gearbox.

Mmm, once again, I am basing his Massa's career on the last three team mates and how Ferrari has him under the rader, not basing it on one race. BTW, Lewis did overtook a lot of cars and in the process overcooked his tires forcing him to watch Sutil because he's got no tires to pass him.

That's incorrect LH did most of his overtaking before his stop.

Suitil just had great straight line speed and played defensive

[bud]

BTW, Lewis did overtook a lot of cars and in the process overcooked his tires forcing him to watch Sutil because he's got no tires to pass him.

what was he meant to do save his tyres and finish 10th? and i thought it was down to Force India having the same power and similar straight line speed as McLaren as to why Lewis couldnt get past him.

[Ineluke]

lol yeah because massa did sod all apart from sit behind a torro rosso until it pitted then he just drove as fast as he car could go.

Lewis overtook alot of cars.

Alonso was putting faster laps than him with a broken gearbox.

Mmm, once again, I am basing his Massa's career on the last three team mates and how Ferrari has him under the rader, not basing it on one race. BTW, Lewis did overtook a lot of cars and in the process overcooked his tires forcing him to watch Sutil because he's got no tires to pass him.

Where do you get this tyre rubbish from? It had nothing to do with tyre at all,he tyres were okay. It was more to do with Force India sharing the same engine and Sutil keeping his wits and driving line and not making any mistakes,nothing to do with tyres whatsoever. The force India has Mclaren parts on it and the same engine,without Sutil making any errors it was always going to be hard to pass him,it just go to show how crap Button is at not letting drivers overtake him.

Get it right if you are going to comment or stick to Indy Cars,tyres never even played a part.

[cap-dude]

I think people forget the reason Lewis was able to overtake so much was because of that f-duct and mercedes engine giving a huge advantage down the straights.

You can complain that Massa couldn't overtake the Toro Rosso, but we seen a similar situation last weekend with Schuy. Fact is, overtaking is still near impossible unless you have a straight line speed advantage, adverse weather conditions, or a driver in front is either much slower, around 3 seconds, or they have a poorly balanced car and are making mistakes.

Despite all that, he still pulled off a mighty impressive move on Jenson Button.

I don't like people cliaming, oh Alonso was just as fast as Massa despite the gearbox probelm, because he just wasn't. When the Toro Rosso's pitted and Massa was in clean air he was undoubtly pulling away from Alonso.

Yes Alonso was quicker in Melbourne, no one is stupid enough to say otherwise, Massa clearly struggled that weekend with tyre warming issues. But Massa also out-qualified Alonso in Bahrain, and managed to cling on to him in the race despite engine troubles and having to turn the revs down a short while after the pit stops.

It's only been 3 races, and I say it's way too early to be coming to conclusion.