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[Jensonb]

Uh

Am I just going crazy?

When did motorsport stop being about getting an advantage over the competition?

[Jabberwocky]

then again I suppose if they are gonna pour millions into tyres and only get paid 5 million then it is up to them

[Denthúl]

My vote goes to unrestricted tyre choice. Any manufacturer who wants to supply a range, should be able to supply a range.

Added bonus: It would make the tyre degradation factor even more important.

Ahem.

...What? Is there a problem?

No, I was bringing your attention to the article I placed below that.

[Jensonb]

My vote goes to unrestricted tyre choice. Any manufacturer who wants to supply a range, should be able to supply a range.

Added bonus: It would make the tyre degradation factor even more important.

Ahem.

...What? Is there a problem?

No, I was bringing your attention to the article I placed below that.

Did you quote the right post? I would have thought the article was more related to my post about Michelin

[darwin dali]

I think any company who want to supply tyres can, for nominal fee. this nominal fee is the same for every team and every supplier. IE Teams Pay 5million per year. it is then up to the tyre supplier if they want to spend 100m on tyres or not.

Controls cost.

Also a supplier must supply and equal share in teams. 12 teams with 4 suppliers means they supply 3 each.

What if only one team WANTS a certain supplier and most of the others want a different one? Luck of the draw and they get assigned or what?

Because it stops a team getting an advantage over another. What if Ferrari said here is your 5 million Mr Bridgestone, and if you only supply us with tyres as you are the best around we will put them on all out road cars... nudge nudge wink wink.

How does this answer my question you quoted? How do you make it so that, e.g., 4 tire suppliers will actually get 3 teams each?

[Denthúl]

My vote goes to unrestricted tyre choice. Any manufacturer who wants to supply a range, should be able to supply a range.

Added bonus: It would make the tyre degradation factor even more important.

Ahem.

...What? Is there a problem?

No, I was bringing your attention to the article I placed below that.

Did you quote the right post? I would have thought the article was more related to my post about Michelin

I did. I was specifically linking this:

My vote goes to unrestricted tyre choice. Any manufacturer who wants to supply a range, should be able to supply a range.

To this:

Although a replacement standard tyre supplier would require the FIA to go through an official tender process, it is believed there is a chance the governing body will simply open up the entry criteria to allow any qualified manufacturer in - reigniting an F1 tyre war.

Guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought :/

[Jabberwocky]

I was on about some teams being able to offer sweeteners to the top tyre companies so they do not supply anyone else.

12/4 = 3

[ChOnG]

My vote goes to unrestricted tyre choice. Any manufacturer who wants to supply a range, should be able to supply a range.

Added bonus: It would make the tyre degradation factor even more important.

I agree, would be good to leave it open for teams to choose any tyre they please. Aslong as it still runs along side some rules like tyre dimentions etc, but then again once there is a dominant tyre other teams will complain that its not the constructor thats actually winning. I would like to see some more freedom/variety back in f1 anyways, overtaking got bad when they try to equal all the cars. As they cant follow each other, it makes this problem even worse.

[Jabberwocky]

I am still unsure why we have thinner front tyres this year. TBH

[Denthúl]

I am still unsure why we have thinner front tyres this year. TBH

Because that's how they used to be in the old days. The front tyres were made wider when grooved tyres were brought in as otherwise the surface area would be ridiculously small and would not provide enough grip. However we've seen from F1 last year, as well as GP2, that the wider front slick tyre actually contributes to better racing because it helps to compensate, if only slightly, for the loss of aerodynamic grip at the front when following another car. :/

[7UpJordan]

I am still unsure why we have thinner front tyres this year. TBH

Because that's how they used to be in the old days. The front tyres were made wider when grooved tyres were brought in as otherwise the surface area would be ridiculously small and would not provide enough grip. However we've seen from F1 last year, as well as GP2, that the wider front slick tyre actually contributes to better racing because it helps to compensate, if only slightly, for the loss of aerodynamic grip at the front when following another car. :/

What they need to do is re-widen the rear tyres to how they were pre-1993, the car would get more rear grip in the process allowing for better stability too.

[Jabberwocky]

or narrower rear tyres so a driver can drift and control the wheel spin.

[Jensonb]

Although a replacement standard tyre supplier would require the FIA to go through an official tender process, it is believed there is a chance the governing body will simply open up the entry criteria to allow any qualified manufacturer in - reigniting an F1 tyre war.

Guess it wasn't as obvious as I thought :/

Ah, I get you now. Sorry, I only skimmed it.

[ChOnG]

Confused myself to why they went thiner tyres, sure if re-fueling was still here. But surely the weight of fuel making the cars very understeery would of sorted last years oversteer problems.

[darwin dali]

http://en.espnf1.com/malaysia/motorspor ... MP=OTC-RSS


Rumours that French tyre company Michelin may return to Formula One under a very different set of tyre regulations have flooded the paddock, after the subject dominated a meeting between Bernie Ecclestone and F1 team bosses on Friday.

One of F1's greatest concerns ahead of 2011 is the loss of Bridgestone as an official tyre supplier. Reports suggest Michelin is willing to return to the sport but "wants money" and to work with a tyre formula closer to its other current sports car projects.

It is rumoured to be asking for between €2-5 million per team per season as well as free advertising around circuits. Its other proviso is that the tyres would be mounted on 18 inch rims rather than the current 13 inch ones, in order to allow Michelin to share its technology between F1 and its current racing series.

There are also suggestions that a new tyre war might break out, as Bridgestone is rumoured to be rethinking its decision to leave F1 if the teams pay for their supply contracts. Korean manufacturers Hankook or Kumho are also being linked as potential competitors.

However, it is believed the teams are still far from making a unanimous decision, as any change to the tyre regulations would require a costly rethink of chassis design. It is also thought that Ecclestone is proposing that any advertising revenue lost by giving Michelin free circuit hoardings should come out of general revenue - i.e. the teams' share.




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