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[Trypt]

I heard some rumblings, perhaps rambling, about turbo making a comeback in F1? Is there any truth to this perhaps in the future?

I think there should be a choice, up to the manufacturer. Either use a 3.0L naturally aspirated engine (any number of cylinders), or a 1.5L turbo. What do you think? Would that make an interesting manufacturing war to see who can produce the best?

That brings me to the point about cylinder limit. I understand limiting the engine to a certain size in litres, as to make every manufacturer fight to see who makes the best engine, but forcing them all to the same cylinder number just takes all the competition and fun out of it. There is no obvious advantage of V12 3.0L over a V8 3.0L or vice versa, both can produce the same power, just differently, with different power bands. I think it would be incredible to see, just like it was in the past (if I remember correctly, Ferrari ran V12s at the same time that there were V8s on the field).

[7UpJordan]

Turbos? Now we're talking!!

I preferred the 3.5 Litre engines to the 3.0 Litre ones, they sounded more like beasts!

[Jensonb]

Yes, it's true. They're looking at smaller engines which are turbo-charged as a way to make the cars more environmentally friendly but no slower. I think they've gone as far as suggesting a turbo-charged V4

[7UpJordan]

Yes, it's true. They're looking at smaller engines which are turbo-charged as a way to make the cars more environmentally friendly but no slower. I think they've gone as far as suggesting a turbo-charged V4

A good idea also would be to have a boost pressure of something like 2 or even 3 bar so we get a lot of variation in boost pressure.

A V4 wouldn't be a bad idea, Brabham did pretty well with a straight 4 BMW turbo engine which produced heaps of power. Although preferably a V6 would be better.

[Jensonb]

Yes, it's true. They're looking at smaller engines which are turbo-charged as a way to make the cars more environmentally friendly but no slower. I think they've gone as far as suggesting a turbo-charged V4

A good idea also would be to have a boost pressure of something like 2 or even 3 bar so we get a lot of variation in boost pressure.

A V4 wouldn't be a bad idea, Brabham did pretty well with a straight 4 BMW turbo engine which produced heaps of power. Although preferably a V6 would be better.

I think I meant a Straight 4. Too used to saying V I think. I can't remember where i read it to check though. I agree a V6 is better though

[Frosty]

I like the idea of 1.5l turbo v4. what would be really nice is open development on the engine and say they have to last 4 races and have a budget cap on them say 30-40 mil a season for engine development.

[scotty]

I dread (wrong word really, heh) to think how much power they could get out of a 1.5 V6 turbo today, if they managed 1 hp/cc back in '85, 25 years ago!

[7UpJordan]

I dread (wrong word really, heh) to think how much power they could get out of a 1.5 V6 turbo today, if they managed 1 hp/cc back in '85, 25 years ago!

If they kick out more than 1500bhp on hardly much pressure, then these babies would really sort the men from the wimps. They would also have to make the front and rear wings really fat and draggy otherwise cars going through the speed trap will easily topple the record set by Antonio Pizza-boy Pizzonia when he clocked something like 370kph, and the turbo's from 1986 weren't that far behind either as Murray clocked Teo Fabi's Benetton BMW doing over 350kph at the start/finish line.

[scotty]

I dread (wrong word really, heh) to think how much power they could get out of a 1.5 V6 turbo today, if they managed 1 hp/cc back in '85, 25 years ago!

If they kick out more than 1500bhp on hardly much pressure, then these babies would really sort the men from the wimps. They would also have to make the front and rear wings really fat and draggy otherwise cars going through the speed trap will easily topple the record set by Antonio Pizza-boy Pizzonia when he clocked something like 370kph, and the turbo's from 1986 weren't that far behind either as Murray clocked Teo Fabi's Benetton BMW doing over 350kph at the start/finish line.

Yeah, more power than grip is the absolute key! 370kph for Pizzonia?! That back in '04, i'm guessing Monza? Christ that's a massive speed to be doing on a regular circuit...

I'd safely bet they could get more than 2000hp out of those engines these days in race trim.

[7UpJordan]

I dread (wrong word really, heh) to think how much power they could get out of a 1.5 V6 turbo today, if they managed 1 hp/cc back in '85, 25 years ago!

If they kick out more than 1500bhp on hardly much pressure, then these babies would really sort the men from the wimps. They would also have to make the front and rear wings really fat and draggy otherwise cars going through the speed trap will easily topple the record set by Antonio Pizza-boy Pizzonia when he clocked something like 370kph, and the turbo's from 1986 weren't that far behind either as Murray clocked Teo Fabi's Benetton BMW doing over 350kph at the start/finish line.

Yeah, more power than grip is the absolute key! 370kph for Pizzonia?! That back in '04, i'm guessing Monza? Christ that's a massive speed to be doing on a regular circuit...

Yeah it was Monza in 2004 in the Williams BMW, it was something around that figure, can't remember the exact speed, but it very very fast "for sure".

[Trypt]

So, you guys think if there was a choice between a 3L and 1.5LTurbo with no boost limit or cylinder limit, nobody would even bother with a naturally aspirated 3L?

I ask you, how big would a naturally aspirated limit have to be to complete with a no-boost-limit 1.5L turbo engine?

Basically, I don't like over-regulation, as must be evident by my posts, so I wouldn't want to limit the manufacturers to either turbo or non, so what do you think would be a good limit for a naturally aspirated engine that would be able to compete on the circuit (not necessarily in numbers, but on the track) with a 1.5L Turbo (I4 or V6, doesn't matter).

I would think that a 3.5L V12 would compete with a 1.5L I4 Turbo, both manufactured behind millions of dollars of research and development by a multinational?

I pray for such a future for F1, so exciting! Different engines, different tires, all competition!

[scotty]

^^ Guaranteed everyone would want the turbo for both power and fuel consumption... in some ways it's a complete no contest these days.

[darwin dali]

The limit should be the fuel available per race - everything else should be unrestricted

[darwin dali]

Car manufacturers are going smaller in car and engine size, finally! Even the American companies are churning out smaller cars. So, F1 going to V4 or V6 plus turbo is just following the lead of real world applications.

[Trypt]

The limit should be the fuel available per race - everything else should be unrestricted

Now how did I not think of that? That is awesome.. That would be the ultimate competition, get the most efficient power possible for the fuel allowed.. Very interesting indeed, and only possible for a F1 type competition with manufacturers competing with each other.