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[The Ram]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

[scotty]

Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Completely different driving styles i suspect.

[Gaz]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

The Data's i looked at showed me that your datas are 90% Rubbish.

Here's the sauce, of my datas



1 second off... lets make up facts.

[The Ram]

Bring your data here. Lets analyse it.

This is from another website:



NB the laps are not graphed at the times they actually occurred.

What do you think causes the gap in pace?

Look on the shape of the graphs too.. You see what is happening?

You know what this means?!!

[Ineluke]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

The Data's i looked at showed me that your datas are 90% Rubbish.

Here's the sauce, of my datas



1 second off... lets make up facts.

Poor Gaz, i wonder what excuse you will come with when the penny finally drops that JB is not as quick as Lewis..

It going to be fun watching it unfold. As long as button does a better job than Heikki then it's okay with me.

McLaren mean business this year and Lewis is fully focused,button needs to step up to the plate.

Here's a couple of vids i though you might like..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7Kk37-53Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6W9HS6P ... re=related

You like.

[Jensonb]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Button was testing the new updates, thye were first applied to the car that day. He and his engineers gave them their first outing and tried to find a setup for them, then Lewis and his engineers continued the evaluation using setup data and feedback generated by JB and his engineers. You need to stop reading so much into testing if you're not going to look into all the facts.

[Gaz]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Button was testing the new updates, thye were first applied to the car that day. He and his engineers gave them their first outing and tried to find a setup for them, then Lewis and his engineers continued the evaluation using setup data and feedback generated by JB and his engineers. You need to stop reading so much into testing if you're not going to look into all the facts.

Not to mention these were set on diffrent days could of been on diffrent tires etc.. etc..

Also it shows that Alonso and Massa had the same pattern.

@inluke - i'm a Mclaren Fan not a Lewis or Jenson Fanboy mate so i enjoyed those videos thanks i want both drivers to do well, rather than be pleased if one of my teams drivers do badly which to me is just stupid?

[ivey]

Just wait 10 days and you'll get something. Don't think you can judge by watching the first race, season is long.

[racechick]

Here's a couple of vids i though you might like..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7Kk37-53Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6W9HS6P ... re=related

You like.

Yes I like. Thanks. You've just reminded me why I cant wait for the season to begin

[Ineluke]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Button was testing the new updates, thye were first applied to the car that day. He and his engineers gave them their first outing and tried to find a setup for them, then Lewis and his engineers continued the evaluation using setup data and feedback generated by JB and his engineers. You need to stop reading so much into testing if you're not going to look into all the facts.

Not to mention these were set on diffrent days could of been on diffrent tires etc.. etc..

Also it shows that Alonso and Massa had the same pattern.

@inluke - i'm a Mclaren Fan not a Lewis or Jenson Fanboy mate so i enjoyed those videos thanks i want both drivers to do well, rather than be pleased if one of my teams drivers do badly which to me is just stupid?

No, i am i McLaren fan,have been long before Lewis came along. I want McLaren to do well and Button to step up to the plate. Yes i do rate Lewis as a better driver and i do stick up for him mainly because of the unfair treatment and comments he gets on these forum,that's my opinion.

I don't want the team to do badly,that's you assuming that. I do want Lewis to put Button in his place and i am sure many other want the opposite,that's how it is.

I have said on many occasion that Button needs to concentrate on being a team player. If he beats Lewis fair enough but Lewis isn't the one who has been running his month leading up to Christmas,he sat quietly and didn't say anything.
Nothing would give me more pleasure than McLaren winning the WDC but added to that i would like to see the British press and Jenson eat humble pie.

[Gaz]

So why the button hate then, so far he's done well with the team he's intrigated nicley and he's not come out with daft comments like Alonso "i'm going to fight massa"

[Robert182]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Button was testing the new updates, thye were first applied to the car that day. He and his engineers gave them their first outing and tried to find a setup for them, then Lewis and his engineers continued the evaluation using setup data and feedback generated by JB and his engineers. You need to stop reading so much into testing if you're not going to look into all the facts.

Not to mention these were set on diffrent days could of been on diffrent tires etc.. etc..

Also it shows that Alonso and Massa had the same pattern.

@inluke - i'm a Mclaren Fan not a Lewis or Jenson Fanboy mate so i enjoyed those videos thanks i want both drivers to do well, rather than be pleased if one of my teams drivers do badly which to me is just stupid?

No, i am i McLaren fan,have been long before Lewis came along. I want McLaren to do well and Button to step up to the plate. Yes i do rate Lewis as a better driver and i do stick up for him mainly because of the unfair treatment and comments he gets on these forum,that's my opinion.

I don't want the team to do badly,that's you assuming that. I do want Lewis to put Button in his place and i am sure many other want the opposite,that's how it is.

I have said on many occasion that Button needs to concentrate on being a team player. If he beats Lewis fair enough but Lewis isn't the one who has been running his month leading up to Christmas,he sat quietly and didn't say anything.
Nothing would give me more pleasure than McLaren winning the WDC but added to that i would like to see the British press and Jenson eat humble pie.

i would like nothing better

[antoniob]

So after looking on some lap times graph Jenson's long stint race simulation pace was roughly one second off Hamilton's. Button said he didn't get enough time to setup the car properly. I understand that. BUT, I hope he doesn't let this happen too often. He needs to learn to setup his car fast enough. Remember last year? He had to base his setups on Barichello's so he could advance in qualifying. There is nothing wrong with copying your team mates setup, but something tells me that Hamilton's setups are not the most comprehensive. Was it Heikki that was saying something about using Hamiltons setup? like it wasn't very drivable or something..?

Button was testing the new updates, thye were first applied to the car that day. He and his engineers gave them their first outing and tried to find a setup for them, then Lewis and his engineers continued the evaluation using setup data and feedback generated by JB and his engineers. You need to stop reading so much into testing if you're not going to look into all the facts.

Not to mention these were set on diffrent days could of been on diffrent tires etc.. etc..

Also it shows that Alonso and Massa had the same pattern.

@inluke - i'm a Mclaren Fan not a Lewis or Jenson Fanboy mate so i enjoyed those videos thanks i want both drivers to do well, rather than be pleased if one of my teams drivers do badly which to me is just stupid?

No, i am i McLaren fan,have been long before Lewis came along. I want McLaren to do well and Button to step up to the plate. Yes i do rate Lewis as a better driver and i do stick up for him mainly because of the unfair treatment and comments he gets on these forum,that's my opinion.

I don't want the team to do badly,that's you assuming that. I do want Lewis to put Button in his place and i am sure many other want the opposite,that's how it is.

I have said on many occasion that Button needs to concentrate on being a team player. If he beats Lewis fair enough but Lewis isn't the one who has been running his month leading up to Christmas,he sat quietly and didn't say anything.
Nothing would give me more pleasure than McLaren winning the WDC but added to that i would like to see the British press and Jenson eat humble pie.

i would like nothing better

Maybe he sat quietly and didn'y say anything coz he was told not to open his mouth and embarrass himself and the team. Hopefully a new manager will do him good coz the one he's had up till now never taught him what not to say to the press.

[racechick]

[quote="antoniob
Maybe he sat quietly and didn'y say anything coz he was told not to open his mouth and embarrass himself and the team. Hopefully a new manager will do him good coz the one he's had up till now never taught him what not to say to the press.[/quote]


So how come he sat quietly and said nothing then? You contradict yourself, because Anthony was his manager then

[antoniob]

[quote="antoniob
Maybe he sat quietly and didn'y say anything coz he was told not to open his mouth and embarrass himself and the team. Hopefully a new manager will do him good coz the one he's had up till now never taught him what not to say to the press.

So how come he sat quietly and said nothing then? You contradict yourself, because Anthony was his manager then [/quote]
exactly..