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By Fact Man
#17289
People talk about LH being faithful to McL and RD. well, let us say that he does win this year and by next year he has Vettel, Kubica or Nick as teammate. Also, let us assume that the other driver is as good as LH. Knowing that RD does not favor any driver over the other :wink: do you really believe that LH is going to be ok with it. I don't think so. If LH starts losing to his teammate, he's going to make it clear to RD and tell the media that he would like for his teammate to leave the team. Also, let us assume that McL cars don't do well for the next few years. So LH is not winning championships anymore. Do you really think that he will last for more than couple of years in a situation like this? If LH does move to another team would he be considered a traitor or would he simply quit F1.
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By stonemonkey
#17291
All supposition and assumption.
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By Fact Man
#17292
All supposition and assumption.


You couldn't bear the thought of LH betraying McL, oh wait it's impossible for a child to betray his daddy :lol:
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By stonemonkey
#17293
It's not that at all, I just think you're inane ramblings are way off the mark and bear no relation to reality. Although it does show a lot of what goes on inside your mind and what you would like to see happening in the future.
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By Fact Man
#17294
It's not that at all, I just think you're inane ramblings are way off the mark and bear no relation to reality. Although it does show a lot of what goes on inside your mind and what you would like to see happening in the future.


You definitely got me there. So let us ban Polls and topics about next race predictions. Maybe this way you'll be happier.
By Mikep99
#17304
Hamilton is and will only be faithful to who can give him what he wants.
Everything he and his father do is all to a master plan, and beware anyone who gets in their way.

Just like robots – programmed – wound up & ready to go.
But he looks like a little angle, which does not fool me at all. :twisted:

He is faithful to Ron at the moment because it suits him but once there is a hiccup he will be off.

News flash secret paparazzi photo of him at home.


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By bud
#17305
why would Lewis be scared of those drivers when he has taken it to a two times world champ in his first season?
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By Fact Man
#17307
why would Lewis be scared of those drivers when he has taken it to a two times world champ in his first season?


I never said that he would be scared. I was talking about how he will react to a teammate who's beating him at McL. I had a lot of respect for LH up until he openned up his mouth and started complaining like FA. I understand that's his right, but he portrays himself as having higher moral standards and then acts in a different way.
By ArtHowe
#17312
You are manufacturing hypothetical situations in order to try to support an opinion based on a personal assumption that has no grounding in experience or fact, Fact Man. What do you expect anyone to say? Admit it, you're bored and looking for an argument. Monty Python used to have a good sketch you could go to where you could buy an argument, but I believe it closed down a while back.

If you want, I'll give you an argument. A five minute argument costs £5.00, ten minutes £7.50 and twenty minutes £12.50. I take paypal, postal orders and bank drafts.
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By KyrosV
#17318
You are manufacturing hypothetical situations in order to try to support an opinion based on a personal assumption that has no grounding in experience or fact, Fact Man. What do you expect anyone to say? Admit it, you're bored and looking for an argument. Monty Python used to have a good sketch you could go to where you could buy an argument, but I believe it closed down a while back.

If you want, I'll give you an argument. A five minute argument costs £5.00, ten minutes £7.50 and twenty minutes £12.50. I take paypal, postal orders and bank drafts.


sounds like you want an arguement....
By ArtHowe
#17323

sounds like you want an arguement....



Like I said Kyros: "If you want, I'll give you an argument. A five minute argument costs £5.00, ten minutes £7.50 and twenty minutes £12.50. I take paypal, postal orders and bank drafts." The last argument you got was a freebie.
By Jonny.1
#17349
To denounce the irregularities which have taken place during the 2007 F1 championship
As witnesses of the events which have taken place during the 2007 F1 championship, and as admirers of this sport, we feel obliged to publicly denounce the irregularities which have occurred, clearly showing that the driver, L. Hamilton has benefited from the favors of his team, generating serious damages for his companion F. Alonso, whose career has suffered from the lack of interest of both his team and the International Federation of Automobile.

The proven facts and presumed irregularities are the following:

G.P. of Barhein (15-04-07) Strangely, F. Alonso’s car encountered troubles in night conditions, on a statement of his own team, which prevented him from following the rhythm of his companion, whose car was functioning perfectly. L. Hamilton changed his trajectory several times, which is absolutely prohibited, but he was not sanctioned.

G.P. of Monaco (27-05-07) A few laps from the end, the team ordered both drivers to go below 19.000 r.p.m. L. Hamilton, refused to obey his team and tried to overtake his companion. Not succeeding in doing so, he complained to the FIA and the British Media after the end of the race, provoking an investigation and a high pressure on F. Alonso. The team took no measure whatsoever towards L. Hamilton, and did not support F. Alonso. Moreover, during the race, L. Hamilton frequently stepped over the continuous line when exiting the pit lane, which is totally prohibited. But he was not sanctioned in any way by the FIA

G.P. of Canada (10-06-07) Strange behavior of F. Alonso’s car. Once more, the number one car was not in the same mechanical conditions than L. Hamilton’s car.

G.P. of the USA (17-06-07) Once more, the pit stop strategies were in favor of L. Hamilton and detrimental to F. Alonso.

G.P. of France (01-07-07) Strangely, before the rain forecast, F. Alonso faced problems with his gear case during Q3, ending up on the tenth position of the starting grid whereas his companion L. Hamilton encountered no problems at all. De La Rosa explained during the race that this spare part had been perfectly identified and removed.

G.P. of Germany (22-07-07) Peculiar reaction of the race controllers when facing L. Hamilton’s slip off the track, a crane put him back on the track, creating risks of collision with other pilots. Even more peculiar is that the other drivers were not placed back on the track regarding the moment they slipped off; only L. Hamilton benefitted from an immediate return on the track. Although the rules clearly specify that a driver must turn off his engine and get out of his car, like the rest of the drivers did, he was not penalised.

G.P. of Hungary (05-08-07) A supplementary lap was given to F. Alonso in Q3. L. Hamilton disobeying his team’s orders entered the boxes to change his tyres on his own will, right behind F. Alonso, who was given used tyres. The following moment, L. Hamilton was equipped with a brand new pair of tyres. Nevertheless, F. Alonso succeeded in earning the pole position, to the apparent disappointment of Ron Dennis. Thus, L. Hamilton denounced F. Alonso again to the FIA and, consequently, he lost 5 positions on the starting grid, following the application of an inexistent rule, and McLaren also lost its constructor points earned during this race. Unexplainably, no sanction was applied to L. Hamilton after this race.

G.P. of Italy (09-09-07) L. Hamilton placed his car diagonally when positioning himself on the starting grid, and made several trajectory changes without being sanctioned.

G.P. of Belgium (16-09-07) Presumed sabotage attempt on F. Alonso’s car. His manager declared that during the free practice sessions, F. Alonso discovered that something was wrong with his power unit, asking his mechanics to revise his car, and then discovering that the top of his oil tank was missing. It is common knowledge that it only needs a simple lap to destroy a motor in such conditions.

G.P. of Japan (30-07-07) Inexplicably, F. Alonso encountered new tyre problems during Q3, as he stated himself after the qualifications. Once more, L. Hamilton obtained a supplementary lap with new tyres and a small quantity of gas, permitting him to earn the pole position. During the race, both drivers were victims of a collision. However, only the driver who collisioned with L. Hamilton was sanctioned, whereas it was F. Alonso who suffered serious damage in his car. He was not warned of the damage on his car, which led him to crash without much reaction from the members of his team. After the accident, when behind the safety-car, L. Hamilton played once more with the rules, provoking an accident between Weber and Vettel, without being sanctioned during or after the race, even when new evidence was given to the FIA.

G.P. of China (06-10-07) Once more, F. Alonso encountered problems in Q3, after having been faster than his companion during the free practice sessions, and the first two qualifying sessions. When F. Alonso was on the podium to celebrate his second position, after L. Hamilton resigned, only one mechanic from McLaren was there to celebrate the victory. After the race, Ron Dennis publicly declared that the struggle during the race was not against Ferrari, but against F. Alonso, who is now considered by his team as an opponent.

Once these facts have been analyzed, we consider there is enough evidence to confirm that the equal treatment between the two drivers has not been respected by McLaren or by the FIA with the application of the Formula 1 rules.

Consequently, with the signatures located at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/fealonso/petition.html
we publicly denounce all these irregularities and express our deepest rejection of all that has happened during this 2007 F1 Championship.
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By f1ea
#17353
You are manufacturing hypothetical situations in order to try to support an opinion based on a personal assumption that has no grounding in experience or fact, Fact Man.


Couldn't agree more.
By ArtHowe
#17354
This crap doesn't even deserve an argument.
By peacehats
#17362
Well he haven't blackmail the team and cost them $100 million. :shock:

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