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By DirtyMac
#17282
Hi all,

this text is interesting, i think. that are the reasons cos Alonso's fans argue to hate McLaren and Hamilton. (i speak and write inglish very poor, sorry)

G.P. Australia (03-18-07): The pit-stop strategy is favorable to Lewis Hamilton in damage of Fernando Alonso.

G.P. Barhein (04-15-07): Strangely, the car of Fernando Alonso suffers damages, justified by his own team, due to this his car cannot follow the rate of Hamilton, whose car works perfectly. Lewis Hamilton changes to several times his trajectory in the exit, when this totally prohibited, not being sanctioned for that reason.

G.P. Monaco (05-27-07): When few laps remain to the end, McLaren orders to his drivers put the engines lower than 19.000 r.p.m. Lewis Hamilton, disobeying the team, didn't do it and tryed to advance Alonso. when he didn't obtain it, he complaint at the end of the race to the F.I.A and English media, causing an investigation and a great mediatic pressure on F. Alonso.

The team doesn't take measures against Hamilton. Also, during the race, Hamilton drive on the continuous line in the exit of boxes. This prohibited, He didn't receive for that reason any sanction from the F.I.A.

G.P. Canada (06-10-07): Strange behavior of the Fernando Alonso's car. Once again the car nº 1 is not in the same mechanical conditions than the car of Lewis Hamilton.

G.P. U.S.A (06-17-07): The Pit-Stop strategies favor L. Hamilton blatantly again.

G.P. France (07-01-07): Strangely, before the rain forecast, Fernando Alonso has problems with his gear box in the Q3, being relegated to position 10 in the start position. his teammate Lewis Hamilton does not suffer any problem.


G.P. Germany (07-22-07): Incredible accion by the race directors after Lewis Hamilton get away from the track. A rescue crane places the british driver on track, although it's serious risk for the other runners.

Suspiciously the crane didn't move the runners by same order they had out from track, but Lewis Hamilton was first. The regulation establishes clearly, they must shut-down the motor and leave the car. The other runners did.

G.P. Hungary (08-05-07): The extra fast lap in the Q3 corresponds to Fernando Alonso by the McLaren's random system. Lewis Hamilton prevents it skipping the order of his team, entering to change tires by his own decision behind Fernando Alonso, whom incredibly saw the mechanic put used hard tires in his car.

After, the team put new soft tires to Lewis Hamilton. Anyway Alonso obtains the first position, it causes a misfortune to Ron Dennis and a new denunciation from Hamilton to the F.I.A.

After this, Alonso is delayed 5 positions in the start, applying a nonexistent law in the regulation, and McLaren loses the points of constructors for this race. Inexplicably the team doesn't take some measure against the British driver.

G.P. Italy (09-09-07):
Lewis Hamilton places the car in diagonal at the start and do several changes of trajectory not being admonished for that reason, once again.


G.P. Belgium (09-16-07): Presumed attempt of sabotage to the car of Fernando Alonso. His manager says the day of the free training the own Alonso discovers something doesn't go fine in his car, forcing to the mechanics to review it.

They discovers it missed a cover of the motor oil. If he do just one lap more in these conditions would be broken its motor, being delayed 10 positions in the start.

G.P. Japan (09-30-07): Incredibly, Fernando Alonso has problems in the Q3 with his tires again, as he declares after finalizing the classification. Lewis Hamilton has an extra qualification lap with new tires and less combustible than Alonso. Hamilton obtains the first position.

During the race both drivers get crash, and only the driver who touches Lewis Hamilton (Kubica) is sanctioned, but is Fernando Alonso who suffers serious damages in his car. The team doesn't warn Alonso about the damages in his car, He suffers an accident before the passivity of his own team.

When the safety-car is on the track, after an accident, Lewis Hamilton skips the norms again, causing an accident to his companions Weber and Vettel, not being sanctioned again, after the investigation with new and full tests against him.

G.P. China (10-06-07): nth time, Fernando Alonso have problems in the Q3. He have been much more faster than his companion during the free training and the two first rounds of qualification.

After the second position of Alonso in China and the abandonment of Lewis Hamilton, only a mechanic of McLaren goes to podium to celebrate it. Later Ron Dennis declares in public "the fight in this race was not against Ferrari, it was against Fernando Alonso". In his own team, he's consider like the adversary to beat.

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This is the spanish version. I post it because i want to know the similar thing but in british version, and other countrys too, because i think is needed to know all point of view to be near the truth. And i'm sure there are so many people thinking like me.

I want to talk RESPECTING between us. I will ignore all insolent posts.
first we are equal people, don't let the patriotism blind you.
don't belive the yellow press.
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By stonemonkey
#17285
Yep, looks like the Spanish point of view to me. If what happened to Hamilton in China had happened to Alonso instead, that would be included in your list as suspicious behaviour towards Alonso by Mclaren. In the British press it's looked upon as a mistake by both the team and driver and nothing more.
As for things like Hamilton positioning his car at an angle on the start line, he is allowed to do that and other drivers have done that in the past and there have been races (I see you've omitted them from your list) where Alonso and his car have performed better.
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By f1ea
#17286
My version is: i do believe Mclaren favour Lewis, and lately they are not even bothering to hide it.

They will always talk endlessly about equality, but this is just politicians' talk. I don't think it is as extreme as expressed in DirtyMac's thread though, cause I doubt Mclaren would sabotage their cars...
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By stonemonkey
#17290
As has been pointed out in some more unpleasant ways around this forum , Hamilton is Rons boy, he's supported him for a large part of his career with the intention of bringing him into F1 but at the point when Alonso started complaining that he wasn't recieving No. 1 treatment he never said anything about not recieving equal treatment. It's only since relations between Ron Dennis and Alonso have broken down that you can say that he's maybe since not recieved equal support from within the team.

Throughout the season both the Mclarens have been pretty closely matched and for the most have been more reliable and faster than the Ferraris with the exception of some tracks more suited to the Ferraris but I can't believe that Mclaren have such an advantage that they could afford to nobble their cars to any extent and still get the results they have.
By DirtyMac
#17295
the list is a compilation made by a alonso's fan site, from all news of the spanish press in this season, talking about this.

They are gathering signatures to claim to the F.I.A

I'm not agree with the 100% of the text, but i think Hamilton is clearly favored by McLaren, F.I.A, and Eclesston. I think the F1 is an Anglo-Saxon sport (it always been), and it's time to have a British Champion in a British team. There is too many years from last.

At the same time, i think L. Hamilton is a exceptional driver, and is going to write history in the F1. His name wil be remembered like one of the greats, like Alonso.

I Hope Alonso goes to Ferrari next season, and we all together can see good races with Alonso (Ferrari) Vs. Hamilton (McLaren), and Raikkonen, Heilfield, Kubica, Vettel.. :D
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By Fact Man
#17296
As has been pointed out in some more unpleasant ways around this forum , Hamilton is Rons boy, he's supported him for a large part of his career with the intention of bringing him into F1 but at the point when Alonso started complaining that he wasn't recieving No. 1 treatment he never said anything about not recieving equal treatment. It's only since relations between Ron Dennis and Alonso have broken down that you can say that he's maybe since not recieved equal support from within the team.

Throughout the season both the Mclarens have been pretty closely matched and for the most have been more reliable and faster than the Ferraris with the exception of some tracks more suited to the Ferraris but I can't believe that Mclaren have such an advantage that they could afford to nobble their cars to any extent and still get the results they have.


All supposition and assumption. :):D:lol:
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By nikon133
#17297
As has been pointed out in some more unpleasant ways around this forum , Hamilton is Rons boy, he's supported him for a large part of his career with the intention of bringing him into F1 but at the point when Alonso started complaining that he wasn't recieving No. 1 treatment he never said anything about not recieving equal treatment. It's only since relations between Ron Dennis and Alonso have broken down that you can say that he's maybe since not recieved equal support from within the team.

Throughout the season both the Mclarens have been pretty closely matched and for the most have been more reliable and faster than the Ferraris with the exception of some tracks more suited to the Ferraris but I can't believe that Mclaren have such an advantage that they could afford to nobble their cars to any extent and still get the results they have.


I tend to agree with you on this one - most of the things are pure speculation. There might be a truth here and there - like LH disobeying team strategy and complaining about FA to the stewards (was it Hungary), but for the rest... at the end of a day, there's no reason why would Spanish reporters/magazines be any better than British ones.

I hope that all involved in this little "family" feud - FA, LH and RD will say more between seasons. Well, some of them at least.
By DirtyMac
#17300
this is unquestionable, there are good and bad medias in the two countrys, like good and bad bad people. like in all the world.

many things are only pure speculation, sure. Others can be truth.

I'm sure at the end of G.P. Brazil, the bomb will explode.
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By bud
#17306
i read pit stop strategy favourable to Lewis in Australia? why is it Fernando got ahead of Lewis during the pit stops? i wouldnt remember very well though i wasnt there or anything
By ArtHowe
#17311

many things are only pure speculation, sure. .


You hit the nail on the head DirtyMac!

Alonso. Won 4 Hamilton. Won 4
Alonso. 2nds 5 Hamilton. 2nds 5
Alonso. 3rds 3 Hamilton. 3rds 3

Seems like a fairly even match to me.
By supeindesu
#17314
Great compilation.

ArtHowe, you should read it before claim any "equalty" (is equalty when you brake a car to let the slowest car to catch you?)
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By cap-dude
#17322
Its all rubbish. It used to be driver excuses, i think now its media excuses for the drivers.

its obviously the spainish press, as they plainly said, "the No1 car" thinking fernando should have the better car
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By stonemonkey
#17357

As has been pointed out in some more unpleasant ways around this forum , Hamilton is Rons boy, he's supported him for a large part of his career with the intention of bringing him into F1 but at the point when Alonso started complaining that he wasn't recieving No. 1 treatment he never said anything about not recieving equal treatment. It's only since relations between Ron Dennis and Alonso have broken down that you can say that he's maybe since not recieved equal support from within the team.

Throughout the season both the Mclarens have been pretty closely matched and for the most have been more reliable and faster than the Ferraris with the exception of some tracks more suited to the Ferraris but I can't believe that Mclaren have such an advantage that they could afford to nobble their cars to any extent and still get the results they have.


All supposition and assumption.


Not quite, maybe your understanding of the English language is somewhat lacking.

As has been pointed out in some more unpleasant ways around this forum , Hamilton is Rons boy, he's supported him for a large part of his career with the intention of bringing him into F1

there is no doubt from anyone's point of view that is fact.

at the point when Alonso started complaining that he wasn't recieving No. 1 treatment he never said anything about not recieving equal treatment.

also a fact.

since relations between Ron Dennis and Alonso have broken down that you can say that he's maybe since not recieved equal support from within the team.

This is about the only part of it that is an assumption but the weird thing, considering your reply is that it's almost the same as one that you repeatedly use yourself Fact man.
By peacehats
#17359
Why can't the spainish just stay on there own website. I don't care about Alonso, I am not on some spainish website bad mouthing Alonso GET A LIFE :shock::shock: You won't change my mind against Lewis, I am British and I want the WDC in Britain GOT IT........... :shock:
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By Lewis Hamilton - COME ON!
#17373
you go....er girl...lookie like we have some spammers here!

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