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[myownalias]

We all know the video is propaganda and grossly misleading but it is based upon facts, I read on the BBC website about the same thing as I would class the BBC as reliable source. I would say that only a small percentage of immigrants integrate into local society even after generations, maybe a small percentage break away from traditions taught by their parents but most stick with their own respective traditions. For example I know of a number of people who are second and third generation Indian immigrants and they still use Indian as their primary language in public, that's hardly integrating is it? It's a highly divisive issue, I'm all for having a multi-cultural society but we need tighter controls to maintain that cultural diversity.

[darwin dali]

I'm a cosmopolitan

[Juliet P]

I'm a cosmopolitan

Mine's a G&T

[AKR]

It's just in natural! It's the **** of the natural world as far as I'm concerned!

I have a child in my class with lesbian parents. she has two mummies. they're excellent parents and the child is well adjusted. She has plenty of male role models in her life and a boyfriend!(she's 5)

Lesbian and gay couples (although I don't agree with them getting married) are not an immenent threat to our ways of culture so I guess they can be deemed "Acceptable".

[AKR]

Nothing petty about protecting ones culture! I am fed up of the pc crap in schools about not being able to celebrate Christmas just to apease the minorities! Well I'm sorry you moved here knowing this is our way so deal with it or go back home!

[AKR]

We all know the video is propaganda and grossly misleading but it is based upon facts, I read on the BBC website about the same thing as I would class the BBC as reliable source. I would say that only a small percentage of immigrants integrate into local society even after generations, maybe a small percentage break away from traditions taught by their parents but most stick with their own respective traditions. For example I know of a number of people who are second and third generation Indian immigrants and they still use Indian as their primary language in public, that's hardly integrating is it? It's a highly divisive issue, I'm all for having a multi-cultural society but we need tighter controls to maintain that cultural diversity.

Although I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with speaking a different language in public, as long as you can speak and are prepared to speak the one that is spoken by the people in the country you are in. For example in Australia there are many Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Croats, Vietmanese just to name a few. They all speak their languages but all speak English. In fact the kids of the immigrants who speak both the language of their parents and English all speak English better and usually speak English among themselves and the language of the parents only with the parents and other oldies. Thus I would say they have integrated well because they speak English and it is always an advantage to know a second or third language. In my case, I grew up in Italy and spoke Italian (Like one should) but spoke mostly Croatian to my mum and both Italian and Slovenian to my dad. And I did so in public as well. I do not see anything wrong with this as long as you learn and accept the language of the one that is spoken in the country you are in. (Although I admit that when I was younger I did feel embarrassed when not speaking Italian in public and thus avoided not speaking Italian by always responsing back in Italian).

[Datsun]

See vaptin that pisses me off, Will the Muslim countries ever become secular? No so why should we!

Bogan talk if ever I've heard it...such a surprise it comes from an Aussie.

If you knew anything about the history of your own country you would know Australia has been secular for decades. Separation of church and state is enshrined in the Australian constitution.

Also, the fact is that most Australians support civil unions for gay and lesbians. Tasmania and ACT already allow it, with Victoria on the way. No one gives a damn if you think it's "in natural" (nice use of English by the way), we still live in a country where majority rules and where some people still care about individual freedoms. Without liberty, we cease to be a confident and civil democracy, people in Australia have a right to worship any god they damn well like. If that means the end of 'Aussie' culture, so be it.

You make me ashamed to call myself Australian. The only good thing is that people with your mindset are a dying breed.

[bud]

Bogan? ha and sorry matey ill stick up for MY Aussie Culture any immigrant who wants me to change just for them can get duck! and besides mate i was talking in general from a western point of view afterall Vaptin was referring to Britain which i also claim to be a citizen of


and nice of you to pick on my spelling considering i was using the iphone with the predicted text getting in the way. I do apologise to you for this over sight. I will in future spell check every post i make just to appease you ok hippy.

[Juliet P]

See vaptin that pisses me off, Will the Muslim countries ever become secular? No so why should we!

Bogan talk if ever I've heard it...such a surprise it comes from an Aussie.

If you knew anything about the history of your own country you would know Australia has been secular for decades. Separation of church and state is enshrined in the Australian constitution.

Also, the fact is that most Australians support civil unions for gay and lesbians. Tasmania and ACT already allow it, with Victoria on the way. No one gives a damn if you think it's "in natural" (nice use of English by the way), we still live in a country where majority rules and where some people still care about individual freedoms. Without liberty, we cease to be a confident and civil democracy, people in Australia have a right to worship any god they damn well like. If that means the end of 'Aussie' culture, so be it.

You make me ashamed to call myself Australian. The only good thing is that people with your mindset are a dying breed.

Hey, we're having an adult debate here - if you want to participate, then argue the points, don't resort to attacking individual posters. If Mclarenfan were still here, he'd have a go at me for being such a relativist, but the starting point is that everyone's view is valid as long as it's not wildly offensive.

[vaptin]

I hate all people, not just the immigrants.

[darwin dali]

I hate all people, not just the immigrants.

It shows, but I love you honey

[vaptin]

My first whip, I shall remember this day

[myownalias]

We all know the video is propaganda and grossly misleading but it is based upon facts, I read on the BBC website about the same thing as I would class the BBC as reliable source. I would say that only a small percentage of immigrants integrate into local society even after generations, maybe a small percentage break away from traditions taught by their parents but most stick with their own respective traditions. For example I know of a number of people who are second and third generation Indian immigrants and they still use Indian as their primary language in public, that's hardly integrating is it? It's a highly divisive issue, I'm all for having a multi-cultural society but we need tighter controls to maintain that cultural diversity.

Although I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with speaking a different language in public, as long as you can speak and are prepared to speak the one that is spoken by the people in the country you are in. For example in Australia there are many Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Croats, Vietmanese just to name a few. They all speak their languages but all speak English. In fact the kids of the immigrants who speak both the language of their parents and English all speak English better and usually speak English among themselves and the language of the parents only with the parents and other oldies. Thus I would say they have integrated well because they speak English and it is always an advantage to know a second or third language. In my case, I grew up in Italy and spoke Italian (Like one should) but spoke mostly Croatian to my mum and both Italian and Slovenian to my dad. And I did so in public as well. I do not see anything wrong with this as long as you learn and accept the language of the one that is spoken in the country you are in. (Although I admit that when I was younger I did feel embarrassed when not speaking Italian in public and thus avoided not speaking Italian by always responsing back in Italian).

We'll have to agree to disagree; I don't believe that immigrants are integrating if they still use their native language as their primary language. I'm not saying that their traditions and native language shouldn't be spoken in private or taught to their children but when in public they should speak the language of the host country. In some cases, which is a problem here in the US; with the Hispanic community there are many that have lived here in the US for many years and still don't know a lick of English, businesses often employ people that are multi-lingual to cater for non-English speakers, is that right that the natives should have to learn a new language in their own country to cater for immigrants? What ultimately happens is no integration and each nationality stick to their own little group, even opening shops to cater for their specific immigrant community. If I were to move to a non-English speaking country I would speak the native language in public or at least make the best attempt to speak it rather than defaulting to my native language, plus speaking the language more would have me become more fluent in the language rather than a little bit of local interaction when I need to.

[darwin dali]

We all know the video is propaganda and grossly misleading but it is based upon facts, I read on the BBC website about the same thing as I would class the BBC as reliable source. I would say that only a small percentage of immigrants integrate into local society even after generations, maybe a small percentage break away from traditions taught by their parents but most stick with their own respective traditions. For example I know of a number of people who are second and third generation Indian immigrants and they still use Indian as their primary language in public, that's hardly integrating is it? It's a highly divisive issue, I'm all for having a multi-cultural society but we need tighter controls to maintain that cultural diversity.

Although I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with speaking a different language in public, as long as you can speak and are prepared to speak the one that is spoken by the people in the country you are in. For example in Australia there are many Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Croats, Vietmanese just to name a few. They all speak their languages but all speak English. In fact the kids of the immigrants who speak both the language of their parents and English all speak English better and usually speak English among themselves and the language of the parents only with the parents and other oldies. Thus I would say they have integrated well because they speak English and it is always an advantage to know a second or third language. In my case, I grew up in Italy and spoke Italian (Like one should) but spoke mostly Croatian to my mum and both Italian and Slovenian to my dad. And I did so in public as well. I do not see anything wrong with this as long as you learn and accept the language of the one that is spoken in the country you are in. (Although I admit that when I was younger I did feel embarrassed when not speaking Italian in public and thus avoided not speaking Italian by always responsing back in Italian).

We'll have to agree to disagree; I don't believe that immigrants are integrating if they still use their native language as their primary language. I'm not saying that their traditions and native language shouldn't be spoken in private or taught to their children but when in public they should speak the language of the host country. In some cases, which is a problem here in the US; with the Hispanic community there are many that have lived here in the US for many years and still don't know a lick of English, businesses often employ people that are multi-lingual to cater for non-English speakers, is that right that the natives should have to learn a new language in their own country to cater for immigrants? What ultimately happens is no integration and each nationality stick to their own little group, even opening shops to cater for their specific immigrant community. If I were to move to a non-English speaking country I would speak the native language in public or at least make the best attempt to speak it rather than defaulting to my native language, plus speaking the language more would have me become more fluent in the language rather than a little bit of local interaction when I need to.

I don't disagree with you in most points, BUT to cite the US and their Hispanic population in this context and to further your argument is very dodgy. When you study the history of the US, you'd see that vast stretches of the southwest and west were first settled by Spanish speaking people (and was part of Mexico), so the Spanish language has been around longer than English. I would consider the US a bilingual country (see Canada, Belgium, Switzerland, etc.) and we all know how such countries deal with that fact, i.e., in most it is the law to protect the minority language, to teach it as the first 'foreign' language in school, label everything bilingually (food items, e.g.), have official government forms in both languages and so on. The US is just a bit behind thanks to all the rednecks that go on the barricades to make English the only official language

[racechick]

Nothing petty about protecting ones culture! I am fed up of the pc crap in schools about not being able to celebrate Christmas just to apease the minorities! Well I'm sorry you moved here knowing this is our way so deal with it or go back home!

We celebrate Christmas at my school. In my unit we make it really magical with candles and fairy lights. We have hot wine(for the parents ) and mince pies, sing Christmas songs and carols and often do a little nativity. Sometimes we do a Hunuka song or dance too, or sing a Christams song in German or French. We try to embrace a range of celebrations to show the children what diversity there is in the world. The main thing is that they experience awe and wonder.
Im not religious and I think political correctness goes much too far.