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By myownalias
#168869
Hey, instead of Mr. Tilke, how about the guy who designs the Gran Turismo tracks? I could just imagine formula one cars going around Grand Valley, High Speed Ring, or one of the Special Stages. :)

Midfield Raceway would also be good for Formula One. In fact, it's probably one of the better circuits. :D

Never mind GT tracks; how about having the French GP at Le Mans... seeing F1 cars doing 220-240mph down the Mulsanne Straight! :yes:
#168881
I think there is another thread concerning this topic but have fun.


Sure the Mods can sort it mate if they need to.

On Topic:

I think the soloution is to get rid of the double decker diffusers and have the underside of the cars more like the GP2 cars.

Its the DD Diffuser thats the problem.


Unfortunately I couldn't disagree more with you, I think too much has been done already to restrict the design of the cars, its already ruined the look of the cars, to destroy their cornering performance too would just be a step too far.
By Montyjnr
#168885
Remember that the article was written following the Hungarian GP, only ten races into a 17 race season.

The year certainly has not been the “tyre to tyre, helmet to helmet” sort of thing that some hoped for, but it really hasn’t been too bad. Certainly the season hasn’t been as bad as the mid-90s and mid noughties.

There has been MUCH closer racing. Cars can follow each other more easily than a few years ago.

But, it still isn’t enough. KERS hasn’t really helped this year, except off the start line mostly. I recall Barichello being held up to the tune of 2 seconds a lap in Germany this year, because he couldn’t get past Massa in a KERS equipped Ferrari. LH, and to a lesser extent Alonso and Kimi, seem to be the only ones to have actually made KERS work.

There is no single solution. Whenever the OWG tries to reduce downforce, those very clever engineers and aerodynamicists claw it back.


For me, three things need to happen:

1. No KERS. When only part of the field has it, it increases the likelyhood of reckless blocking (I call it the “magic button” syndrome). As everyone cannot, or will not, have it, then no-one should, as the teams have decided for next year.

2. Less ‘Tilked’ circuits. Herman the German designs tracks that are made for overtaking when other drivers make a mistake. However, the speeds and technology (breaks, downforce, shifting, trailing distance ,ect) mean that a mistake that would end up as a passing opportunity in a lower formula or closed wheeler race does not necessarily equate as a passing opportunity in F1.

The lack of good medium speed sections in Tilke tracks and the stop-go nature of his street circuits (combined with a certain ‘sameyness’) renders them both a) somewhat boring and b) bloody difficult to pass at.

Unlike the majority, I actually like and enjoy the GPs at some of Tilke’s tracks, Bahrain (despite the boring scenery), Istanbul and Sepang are all interesting and intensely technical tracks. Even the A1 Ring wasn’t too bad (at least he kept some of the caharacter of the circuit intact). Unfortunately, for each of these there is a Valencia and Singapore.

My proposal: Less ‘Mickey Mouse” 2nd/3rd gear corners, particularly to finish a lap a la Fuji and Abu Dhabi and more 3rd/4th/5th gear corners whit rapid acceleration and breaking zones.

3. More mechanical grip. If we go less aero, then lets go more mechanical. Bringing slicks back was a good idea.
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By headless
#168904
Hey, instead of Mr. Tilke, how about the guy who designs the Gran Turismo tracks? I could just imagine formula one cars going around Grand Valley, High Speed Ring, or one of the Special Stages. :)

Midfield Raceway would also be good for Formula One. In fact, it's probably one of the better circuits. :D

Never mind GT tracks; how about having the French GP at Le Mans... seeing F1 cars doing 220-240mph down the Mulsanne Straight! :yes:

Wont get to that speed, its limited by annoying variables.
Bugatti Veyron has faster top speed so people think it is a faster car than F1.etc.
But cornering speeds is where F1 rocks
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By scotty
#168910
Hey, instead of Mr. Tilke, how about the guy who designs the Gran Turismo tracks? I could just imagine formula one cars going around Grand Valley, High Speed Ring, or one of the Special Stages. :)

Midfield Raceway would also be good for Formula One. In fact, it's probably one of the better circuits. :D

Never mind GT tracks; how about having the French GP at Le Mans... seeing F1 cars doing 220-240mph down the Mulsanne Straight! :yes:

Wont get to that speed, its limited by annoying variables.
Bugatti Veyron has faster top speed so people think it is a faster car than F1.etc.
But cornering speeds is where F1 rocks


They'd be able tweak the gears and wings enough to do it, F1 cars can do over 250mph whilst still conforming to the regs. If the did that in a race situation though, i bet so many engines would blow up...
By Gaz
#168912
Hey, instead of Mr. Tilke, how about the guy who designs the Gran Turismo tracks? I could just imagine formula one cars going around Grand Valley, High Speed Ring, or one of the Special Stages. :)

Midfield Raceway would also be good for Formula One. In fact, it's probably one of the better circuits. :D

Never mind GT tracks; how about having the French GP at Le Mans... seeing F1 cars doing 220-240mph down the Mulsanne Straight! :yes:

Wont get to that speed, its limited by annoying variables.
Bugatti Veyron has faster top speed so people think it is a faster car than F1.etc.
But cornering speeds is where F1 rocks


They'd be able tweak the gears and wings enough to do it, F1 cars can do over 250mph whilst still conforming to the regs. If the did that in a race situation though, i bet so many engines would blow up...


Not sure about over 250mph

Honda did 246mph at Boniville with this rear wing setup
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I doubt that would confirm to the regs.
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By scotty
#168953
They'd be able tweak the gears and wings enough to do it, F1 cars can do over 250mph whilst still conforming to the regs. If the did that in a race situation though, i bet so many engines would blow up...


Not sure about over 250mph

Honda did 246mph at Boniville with this rear wing setup
Image

I doubt that would confirm to the regs.


Ah, what's 4mph difference. :P Pretty sure i read it did conform to the regs (at the time, obviously they've changed) although it'd be pretty stupid to have that rear 'wing' if they wanted to actually corner on a proper track, hence why you wouldn't see it elsewhere... forgot about the V10 though.
By Gaz
#168978
They'd be able tweak the gears and wings enough to do it, F1 cars can do over 250mph whilst still conforming to the regs. If the did that in a race situation though, i bet so many engines would blow up...


Not sure about over 250mph

Honda did 246mph at Boniville with this rear wing setup
Image

I doubt that would confirm to the regs.


Ah, what's 4mph difference. :P Pretty sure i read it did conform to the regs (at the time, obviously they've changed) although it'd be pretty stupid to have that rear 'wing' if they wanted to actually corner on a proper track, hence why you wouldn't see it elsewhere... forgot about the V10 though.


Whats the top speed for Monza because you'd be looking a little over that.
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By headless
#169018
Hey, instead of Mr. Tilke, how about the guy who designs the Gran Turismo tracks? I could just imagine formula one cars going around Grand Valley, High Speed Ring, or one of the Special Stages. :)

Midfield Raceway would also be good for Formula One. In fact, it's probably one of the better circuits. :D

Never mind GT tracks; how about having the French GP at Le Mans... seeing F1 cars doing 220-240mph down the Mulsanne Straight! :yes:

Wont get to that speed, its limited by annoying variables.
Bugatti Veyron has faster top speed so people think it is a faster car than F1.etc.
But cornering speeds is where F1 rocks


They'd be able tweak the gears and wings enough to do it, F1 cars can do over 250mph whilst still conforming to the regs. If the did that in a race situation though, i bet so many engines would blow up...

That sounds good, but yeah they gotta get the right track balance
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By Jabberwocky
#169023
maybe that is the rear wing that should be used at every race!

as much front wing as wou want an no rear wing. power on oversteer anyone!
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By hypertek
#169125
immma take a shot at the seating position of the drivers, it gets lower and lower and you wonder how much freedom of movement they have to visibly look around/feel comfortable pushing to the limit. Back in the day you had a higher point of view and you could read your surrounding much better. Now drivers cant really turn their heads left and right too much.

Of course, technology plays a big part as well since the cars are all far apart.
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