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[Jensonb]

So by Vatanen's reckoning; Jean Todt will be a continuation of Mosley's regime and the manufacturers realise that and located the exit door as quickly as possible.

I think that Vatanen's statement is more sour grapes about not winning, rather than being factual!

If you analyse it Renault is right, they are a serious international corporation and not loonies like [former FIA President] Max Mosley has called them.

That's not even a factual statement, Mosley never said that; he called Flavio Briatore a loonie, not the Renault corporation.

Right, but you call a guy they hired a loony and that's a pretty big insult to them to.

[myownalias]

So by Vatanen's reckoning; Jean Todt will be a continuation of Mosley's regime and the manufacturers realise that and located the exit door as quickly as possible.

I think that Vatanen's statement is more sour grapes about not winning, rather than being factual!

If you analyse it Renault is right, they are a serious international corporation and not loonies like [former FIA President] Max Mosley has called them.

That's not even a factual statement, Mosley never said that; he called Flavio Briatore a loonie, not the Renault corporation.

Right, but you call a guy they hired a loony and that's a pretty big insult to them to.

I doubt that Mosley meant it that way, it was squarely directed at Briatore, no-one else and it turned out he was right in the light of race-fix/crash-gate.

[racechick]

I doubt the economic climate has helped, but knowing that through Todt Mad max can continue to wage war on whomever he wants for whatever farsical reason and with scant regard to how it is viewed by the public at large, means the manufacturers are voting with their feet.

[vaptin]

wasn't it something like leader of the loonies or pack of loonies? I seem to recall it being presented in a group way rather than specific individual

[texasmr2]

hello to everyone,
i new here sorry for bad english i from japan
i big fan of f1 in my country people crazy about f1.
i want to tel you that i in shock when i listen that toyota go from f1, in local sport tv chanel some expert from toyota say that real reason why toyota go is not becouse of money, real reason is toyota people feel something bad going in the head of f1 the boses of f1 not doing good job and not be balance to japanese teams for many year and they get very angry from this f1 year.

Konichiwa T Harada san,
So you are saying that the image or perception the Japanese have is that the leader's of all the F1 associations such as the FIA, FOTA etc etc are acting with bias and prejudice toward's any and all form's of Japanese participation?

Arigatou gozaimasu,
tex san

[EwanM]

I read a brilliant article today in the Times which basically said that the whole economic argument was a lot of s***. Basically Toyota could easily afford to run F1, but by pulling the program it allowed their board members to go cap in hand to the Japanese government and use it as an excuse to get funding.

[myownalias]

I read a brilliant article today in the Times which basically said that the whole economic argument was a lot of s***. Basically Toyota could easily afford to run F1, but by pulling the program it allowed their board members to go cap in hand to the Japanese government and use it as an excuse to get funding.

So it is about economic conditions! Sure they could run another three years in F1 but it's not viable if your company is making a loss!

[EwanM]

I read a brilliant article today in the Times which basically said that the whole economic argument was a lot of s***. Basically Toyota could easily afford to run F1, but by pulling the program it allowed their board members to go cap in hand to the Japanese government and use it as an excuse to get funding.

So it is about economic conditions! Sure they could run another three years in F1 but it's not viable if your company is making a loss!

Well compared to other companies they aren't making too big a loss, certainly somethign that they could easily recover when the recession ended. The article also said that they didn't really need to money from the Japanese government and that pulling the plug on F1 was a bargaining chip.

[myownalias]

I read a brilliant article today in the Times which basically said that the whole economic argument was a lot of s***. Basically Toyota could easily afford to run F1, but by pulling the program it allowed their board members to go cap in hand to the Japanese government and use it as an excuse to get funding.

So it is about economic conditions! Sure they could run another three years in F1 but it's not viable if your company is making a loss!

Well compared to other companies they aren't making too big a loss, certainly somethign that they could easily recover when the recession ended. The article also said that they didn't really need to money from the Japanese government and that pulling the plug on F1 was a bargaining chip.

I doubt that Asia's biggest car manufacturer is going under and they don't really need a handout like US car makers, $400m is chicken feed when your talking about a company the size of Toyota but economically it makes sense to cut costs to try to stop the rot before it gets so bad that bankruptcy is a real possibility. That's the problem with GM; they failed to move with the economic climate.

[Rivelution]

we've had 3 teams leave because they cannot afford to stay in F1

I don't believe that. All 3 of those teams just got tired of losing, so they left when the opportunity arose so that they wouldn't look like quitters. imo

[Big Azza]

If Formula One was the pinnacle of World Motorsport we would have more than 3 engine suppliers.

I want more constructors. I want a grid with plenty of different engines, at least 7. I would think that the FIA and Mr Ecclestone would want this too.

[darwin dali]

wasn't it something like leader of the loonies or pack of loonies? I seem to recall it being presented in a group way rather than specific individual

sorta

[T Harada]

Hello, this weekend one of big toyota boss give interview on tv for why toyota leve with suprise f1, he not want to talk much about this but say that money was small part in decide.
he say that he think that every team has to do what is most best for it but he think that after what ferrari say ferrari has to also leve but he think this not happen (of course).
they also ask him if he not scare that they take toyota to court(?) now becuse toyota have close the deal with f1 for coming year, he say very strong that toyota not scare and if f1 want to go to court lot of thing come out which be not good at all for f1 so he think they not want to go to court. but he say that at most toyota pay only little money if f1 insist but not anything more.
from how he talk i feel that toyota have lot of thing they are not saying , maybe it come out someday? very interesting

[darwin dali]

Hello, this weekend one of big toyota boss give interview on tv for why toyota leve with suprise f1, he not want to talk much about this but say that money was small part in decide.
he say that he think that every team has to do what is most best for it but he think that after what ferrari say ferrari has to also leve but he think this not happen (of course).
they also ask him if he not scare that they take toyota to court(?) now becuse toyota have close the deal with f1 for coming year, he say very strong that toyota not scare and if f1 want to go to court lot of thing come out which be not good at all for f1 so he think they not want to go to court. but he say that at most toyota pay only little money if f1 insist but not anything more.
from how he talk i feel that toyota have lot of thing they are not saying , maybe it come out someday? very interesting

Interesting

[Cubejam]

You can expect more crap from Ferrari in the future. They're the leading force behind 'lets make up rubbish no one agrees with'