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[pere106]

i think rosberg is very good driver, but we never saw him driving a good car, the next year we will see him with a good car...

[McLaren Fan]

What is some people's beef? Rosberg has not said he wants to see Williams fail, and nor has he said anything that is either untrue or unrealistic. I think Rosberg and Williams have been a decent pairing, but they came to the end of what they could achieve together a long time ago. Rosberg, really, should have headed for the exit door sooner, to be honest, but decided to see if he could rebuild Williams. Although efforts are being made to cut costs in Formula One, the changes won't be kicking in for another couple of years, so there is still more than enough time for the likes of Ferrari and McLaren to spend their way out of trouble and produce faster cars over the next few years and dominate Williams. As an indication of this, you only need to look at this season. Despite Williams starting off with a much better car, McLaren overtook them in relatively short order. Williams are developing their car race in race out and season in season out pretty much to stay where they are. I don't see them challenging next season or any season. And, furthermore, I don't see there being any major financial problems at the likes of Ferrari and McLaren, whereas Williams are only racing today because of Ecclestone's charity.

[Denthúl]

To an extent, I agree with you. I think one of the problems for Williams has been development. Rosberg is rumoured to be pretty poor at setting up the car and Nakajima even more so, so I do have to wonder what the team could do with a decent engine and a driver who has the technical ability to help direct the team in the development process.

[cap-dude]

^^Agreed. Whenever Wurz was around, the Williams car was able to develop well throughout the season and during the last of 07 was challenging BMW. 08 and 09, we've seen the performance of the car drop off somewhat. Williams said they wanted an experienced driver for 2010 probably because of this reason, and boy do they have one. The most experienced driver of all time none the less.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. I just feel that Rosberg is being "bigged up" more than his actual talent suggests. If he goes to Brawn, McLaren or another front-running team and he wins races and beats his "established" team mate; I will happily eat my words!

Agreed. That's why I'm extremely interested to Button vs Rosberg next year. I'm sure both want to beat each other badly to prove a point.

[Denthúl]

Agreed. That's why I'm extremely interested to Button vs Rosberg next year. I'm sure both want to beat each other badly to prove a point.

I'm also interested in seeing what happens between them, and to the car. They're both, supposedly, really bad on car setup...

[headless]

I like Nico, hopefully he can show his full potential and use it at Brawn!

We will see. Time will tell.

Or of course he could fail completely which will bring up the question; was the Williams a race winner after all and the drivers weren't upto the job! We know Rosberg is better than Nakajima but frankly that isn't hard. Rosberg has made a fair amount of mistakes that has cost him podiums and possible wins as well, cant put all the blame on the car!

Deep thoughts...

[texasmr2]

Deep thoughts...

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[7UpJordan]

What is some people's beef? Rosberg has not said he wants to see Williams fail, and nor has he said anything that is either untrue or unrealistic. I think Rosberg and Williams have been a decent pairing, but they came to the end of what they could achieve together a long time ago. Rosberg, really, should have headed for the exit door sooner, to be honest, but decided to see if he could rebuild Williams. Although efforts are being made to cut costs in Formula One, the changes won't be kicking in for another couple of years, so there is still more than enough time for the likes of Ferrari and McLaren to spend their way out of trouble and produce faster cars over the next few years and dominate Williams. As an indication of this, you only need to look at this season. Despite Williams starting off with a much better car, McLaren overtook them in relatively short order. Williams are developing their car race in race out and season in season out pretty much to stay where they are. I don't see them challenging next season or any season. And, furthermore, I don't see there being any major financial problems at the likes of Ferrari and McLaren, whereas Williams are only racing today because of Ecclestone's charity.

So you like seeing McLaren spend-spend-spend their way out of trouble, or at least you sound like it... well it's time for the overspending to stop and for the odds to be evened thanks to the budget cap.

Williams "stayed where they were" thanks to Nico's balls dropping constantly, the incompetence of Crashajima and a Toyota engine so weak the FW31 would probably get eaten up in a straight line by a Life W12 of all cars!

All I can say to you, McLaren Fan is wait until you see the FW32 with two REAL drivers - Barrichello being the best in car development and setup, something Nico and Nakajima were weakest at especially - and a more powerful engine (the Cosworth 2006 engine is still more powerful than the current Toyota engine!!!). If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

[myownalias]

If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

It does bring up an interest point; can teams like McLaren; Ferrari and Toyota make such a good car without megabucks being spent on development; Williams championships were cheap by today's expenditure, less than 40m per drivers championship, can big spending teams make such good cars with a much smaller budget?

[Hansy]

If McLaren are going to spend their way past Williams, so be it, but when the budget cap fully kicks in who's going to be laughing? Not McLaren.

It does bring up an interest point; can teams like McLaren; Ferrari and Toyota make such a good car without megabucks being spent on development; Williams championships were cheap by today's expenditure, less than 40m per drivers championship, can big spending teams make such good cars with a much smaller budget?

I guess Ferrari and McLaren haven't always had these massive budgets and were still able to be in the front. Toyota, on the other hand, will be a disaster.

[Frosty]

I think Rosberg is missing something and that's that he does not know how to develop or setup a car this is something the likes of Alonso, Lewis and Rubens are quite clearly very good at. This is good for Williams they can get rid of the an expensive under performing driver as well as crapajima. Replace them with an exciting young talent in Hulkenburg and a fast experienced driver in Rubens who can also help setup and develop the car.

[RyRy]

If Brawn have a good Car for next year.. to the same standard of Ferrari and McLaren are going to have (my views only) then I expect Rosberg to do great, I think he's one of the best drivers defiantly within the top 8 drivers for me.

[bud]

All talk 7up

[7UpJordan]

All talk 7up

Well I'm not Mystic Meg (or Septic Peg for that matter ), and neither is McLaren Fan or anybody else on here, so I'm afraid we're going to be "all talk" over the winter until the cars are unveiled.

[bud]

All talk 7up

Well I'm not Mystic Meg (or Septic Peg for that matter ), and neither is McLaren Fan or anybody else on here, so I'm afraid we're going to be "all talk" over the winter until the cars are unveiled.

Thats why ive never been a fan of predicting before seeing the cars. But when i toured McLaren they were pretty stoked with the 25 the engineers rekn they are on a winner. Ofcourse its going to be faster than the 24 but then again all teams would have made gains on their previous cars.