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#165744
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was trying to get across that I don't think he will favour Ferrari in the way most people think he will. There was such a power struggle during the 2006 season at Maranello that Todt was effectively forced out of the team at the end of 2007. The fact that Todt was dead against Raikkonen being signed and continuing with Schumacher and Massa/Rossi was his preferred choice, this created tension between himself and Luca. He left Ferrari on the high of a double world championship, but on the inside he was very bitter about the driver signings and the fact Luca wanted to drop Marlboro in favour of a cleaner backer.

I personally think that if anything, and I hope this doesn't happen, he will be more ruthless when dealing with issues involving the Scuderia rather than favouritism. I think he'll be totally different to Max and all this aside, I think he'll show a more impartial element to the FIA.... :)


No, I understood you. I was agreeing with you.

Ok, I was confused by your first sentence, but no problem my mistake.
#165861
The question posed earlier has not really been answered. If Todt is such an honest man who wants to bring change the FIA, why did he accept the illicit electioneering assistance he got? Really, Todt should have told Mosley and the rest to back off, as he was capable of winning the election fair and square by himself.


First, we have to look at precisely how illicit this electioneering assistance was. It's bad form for Mosley to back Todt, but it's not like he was stuffing ballot boxes or anything. Vatanen was asking for external observers, but how much of this was a valid concern, and how much was posturing for the media. There have been no credible claims of miscounted votes, more votes than members, etc. Sure, there have been people working for the candidates, lieutenants if you will, but that's normal in any political election of this type. Emotional descriptions of these people, e.g. as Todt's "henchmen",

Second, we need to consider exactly how someone gets to be president of a highly political organisation such as the FIA. They don't get to win by being Tinkerbelle. We now have someone with an impressive pedigree in F1 at the head of the FIA. If Todt had attempted to go it alone, would we have had Todt as president, Vatanen as president, or would the FIA incumbents have gone for one of their own, a Donnelly or Nazir Hoosein, as president. Then imagine how much £*%" we'd be in.

The FIA is not going to change its spots overnight. But we now have a really credible president. And over time, the organisation can be reformed from the inside. For example, the conciliatory noises between the FIA and FOTA might indicate the next step. And Todt dividing power among more people, as also suggested, might be another step. But it's unrealistic to expect things to change immediately, and anyone taking on the job has to realise this. And so do we.

I agree with most of the post, though I would say the assistance Todt got was still pretty unethical. I agree that there is no solid evidence of the ballot being rigged, but this was unnecessary anyway. Vatanen's campaign was undermined by several crafty means, such as using the Renault affair to drown out much of his publicity and denying him equal chances to get across his views. If this were an election in a fully developed Western democracy, the national election commission would be involved and suspicions cast on the result. So, granted, it was not a Zimbabwean style election; it was more of a Russian one.
#165950
The question posed earlier has not really been answered. If Todt is such an honest man who wants to bring change the FIA, why did he accept the illicit electioneering assistance he got? Really, Todt should have told Mosley and the rest to back off, as he was capable of winning the election fair and square by himself.


First, we have to look at precisely how illicit this electioneering assistance was. It's bad form for Mosley to back Todt, but it's not like he was stuffing ballot boxes or anything. Vatanen was asking for external observers, but how much of this was a valid concern, and how much was posturing for the media. There have been no credible claims of miscounted votes, more votes than members, etc. Sure, there have been people working for the candidates, lieutenants if you will, but that's normal in any political election of this type. Emotional descriptions of these people, e.g. as Todt's "henchmen",

Second, we need to consider exactly how someone gets to be president of a highly political organisation such as the FIA. They don't get to win by being Tinkerbelle. We now have someone with an impressive pedigree in F1 at the head of the FIA. If Todt had attempted to go it alone, would we have had Todt as president, Vatanen as president, or would the FIA incumbents have gone for one of their own, a Donnelly or Nazir Hoosein, as president. Then imagine how much £*%" we'd be in.

The FIA is not going to change its spots overnight. But we now have a really credible president. And over time, the organisation can be reformed from the inside. For example, the conciliatory noises between the FIA and FOTA might indicate the next step. And Todt dividing power among more people, as also suggested, might be another step. But it's unrealistic to expect things to change immediately, and anyone taking on the job has to realise this. And so do we.

I agree with most of the post, though I would say the assistance Todt got was still pretty unethical. I agree that there is no solid evidence of the ballot being rigged, but this was unnecessary anyway. Vatanen's campaign was undermined by several crafty means, such as using the Renault affair to drown out much of his publicity and denying him equal chances to get across his views. If this were an election in a fully developed Western democracy, the national election commission would be involved and suspicions cast on the result. So, granted, it was not a Zimbabwean style election; it was more of a Russian one.

Don't diss the Russian system :nono::P:hehe:
#165959
Jean Todt is the downfall of anything remotely related to.......use your imagination but the first letter is an M :eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#165966
Jean Todt is the downfall of anything remotely related to.......use your imagination but the first letter is an M :eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Max Mosley? :twisted::twisted:
#165989
Jean Todt is the downfall of anything remotely related to.......use your imagination but the first letter is an M :eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moderators?
#166067
Jean Todt is the downfall of anything remotely related to.......use your imagination but the first letter is an M :eek: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

moderators?

Very apparent now isn't it!!! :hehe:
#167011
I thought it quite interesting to see Todt outside the Ferrari garage yesterday talking to the Ferrari gaffer :rolleyes:


And you automatically assume the worst even though Montezemolo is head of FOTA. :rolleyes:
#167013
I thought it quite interesting to see Todt outside the Ferrari garage yesterday talking to the Ferrari gaffer :rolleyes:


As soon as I saw that, I was thinking that certain McLaren fans would be interpreting it as evidence of bias. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
#167183
I thought it quite interesting to see Todt outside the Ferrari garage yesterday talking to the Ferrari gaffer :rolleyes:


As soon as I saw that, I was thinking that certain McLaren fans would be interpreting it as evidence of bias. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


Yeh because all us Mclaren fans think the same..

:rolleyes:
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