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[darwin dali]

Since when? Still reported as engaged...

who really cares

A bit harsh

Ah but I said married, because I remember the whole are they? aren't they? which surrounded one or two threads and articles. Thought i'd bring it back seeing as Non is president.

A question mark after actually could have cleared that up

Yeah, but again I did post that on my phone... Ok a s*** excuse, but you try keeping up with the boards on a phone.

O pauvre chou! I know it sucks...

This wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Royal Mail workers.

huh?

They're on strike. I believe our good friend Ewan is still awaiting some gear to sort his home internet connection out.

Ah, for once it's not the dustmen, eh? 'Dustmen are on strike' was the title of my first ever English lesson in high school

[EwanM]

who really cares

A bit harsh

Ah but I said married, because I remember the whole are they? aren't they? which surrounded one or two threads and articles. Thought i'd bring it back seeing as Non is president.

A question mark after actually could have cleared that up

Yeah, but again I did post that on my phone... Ok a s*** excuse, but you try keeping up with the boards on a phone.

O pauvre chou! I know it sucks...

This wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Royal Mail workers.

huh?

They're on strike. I believe our good friend Ewan is still awaiting some gear to sort his home internet connection out.

Ah, for once it's not the dustmen, eh? 'Dustmen are on strike' was the title of my first ever English lesson in high school

I'm like a package: Handle with Care.

Been beat up and battered around...

[NateDawg80126]

Such bullpoo, I mean if they really want to make the sport better for the fans, then why not give the fans a voice?

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His victory was not deserved...

[Rivelution]

Ehh. Didnt really want this to happen, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hopes he does a decent job.

[henners88]

Have some posts been removed from this thread?? I posted last night and its gone Weird

[henners88]

I'll re-write my response....
I think Todt is an interesting choice and one which I am surprised that I support... Many fans have adopted the view that it will be a return to the FIA favouring Ferrari but I think thats abit naive. Although I hope Jean runs the governing body with less vendetta style politics, I think he also has a few issues he wants resolved. He left Ferrari under a cloud after battling internal politics with Luca de Montezemolo over the Schumacher/Raikkonen affair and I think his ties with Ferrari are not as strong as most people believe. I think he'll be a more impartial decision maker than Max ever was, and return the respect F1 deserves and has lost in recent years...

[FerrariFan63]

I'll re-write my response....
I think Todt is an interesting choice and one which I am surprised that I support... Many fans have adopted the view that it will be a return to the FIA favouring Ferrari but I think thats abit naive.

I think it's very naive to just assume that this will happen just like that. Anyone running an organisation such as the FIA will have to be a political animal to survive. He's going to be operating at a whole level (or more) above the crude reasoning often on display in this forum.

There is just a strong argument that Todt would favour Toyota. After all, he worked for them too. And his wife/fiancee is Malaysian, so perhaps he'll favour Lotus. Or perhaps he might get on with the job at hand. We're going to find out.

[texasmr2]

Yes we all will just have to wait and see how JT perform's. When a person already has it in their mind that thing's will not change they are not keeping an open mind thus limiting their capacity to recognize a positive change. The change in leadership has been made and I think a more supportive role should be taken toward's said change, is your glass half full or half empty??

A man is innocent until PROVEN guilty right???

[McLaren Fan]

The question posed earlier has not really been answered. If Todt is such an honest man who wants to bring change the FIA, why did he accept the illicit electioneering assistance he got? Really, Todt should have told Mosley and the rest to back off, as he was capable of winning the election fair and square by himself.

[ivey]

A bit harsh

Ah but I said married, because I remember the whole are they? aren't they? which surrounded one or two threads and articles. Thought i'd bring it back seeing as Non is president.

A question mark after actually could have cleared that up

Yeah, but again I did post that on my phone... Ok a s*** excuse, but you try keeping up with the boards on a phone.

O pauvre chou! I know it sucks...

This wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Royal Mail workers.

huh?

They're on strike. I believe our good friend Ewan is still awaiting some gear to sort his home internet connection out.

Ah, for once it's not the dustmen, eh? 'Dustmen are on strike' was the title of my first ever English lesson in high school

I'm like a package: Handle with Care.

Been beat up and battered around...

EPIC QUOTE BOX

[Frosty]

The question posed earlier has not really been answered. If Todt is such an honest man who wants to bring change the FIA, why did he accept the illicit electioneering assistance he got? Really, Todt should have told Mosley and the rest to back off, as he was capable of winning the election fair and square by himself.

He would be in a much stronger position to now take the FIA forward if he had done that!

[headless]

Ah but I said married, because I remember the whole are they? aren't they? which surrounded one or two threads and articles. Thought i'd bring it back seeing as Non is president.

A question mark after actually could have cleared that up

Yeah, but again I did post that on my phone... Ok a s*** excuse, but you try keeping up with the boards on a phone.

O pauvre chou! I know it sucks...

This wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for the Royal Mail workers.

huh?

They're on strike. I believe our good friend Ewan is still awaiting some gear to sort his home internet connection out.

Ah, for once it's not the dustmen, eh? 'Dustmen are on strike' was the title of my first ever English lesson in high school

I'm like a package: Handle with Care.

Been beat up and battered around...

EPIC QUOTE BOX

Nah it s***

[henners88]

I'll re-write my response....
I think Todt is an interesting choice and one which I am surprised that I support... Many fans have adopted the view that it will be a return to the FIA favouring Ferrari but I think thats abit naive.

I think it's very naive to just assume that this will happen just like that. Anyone running an organisation such as the FIA will have to be a political animal to survive. He's going to be operating at a whole level (or more) above the crude reasoning often on display in this forum.

There is just a strong argument that Todt would favour Toyota. After all, he worked for them too. And his wife/fiancee is Malaysian, so perhaps he'll favour Lotus. Or perhaps he might get on with the job at hand. We're going to find out.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was trying to get across that I don't think he will favour Ferrari in the way most people think he will. There was such a power struggle during the 2006 season at Maranello that Todt was effectively forced out of the team at the end of 2007. The fact that Todt was dead against Raikkonen being signed and continuing with Schumacher and Massa/Rossi was his preferred choice, this created tension between himself and Luca. He left Ferrari on the high of a double world championship, but on the inside he was very bitter about the driver signings and the fact Luca wanted to drop Marlboro in favour of a cleaner backer.

I personally think that if anything, and I hope this doesn't happen, he will be more ruthless when dealing with issues involving the Scuderia rather than favouritism. I think he'll be totally different to Max and all this aside, I think he'll show a more impartial element to the FIA....

[FerrariFan63]

The question posed earlier has not really been answered. If Todt is such an honest man who wants to bring change the FIA, why did he accept the illicit electioneering assistance he got? Really, Todt should have told Mosley and the rest to back off, as he was capable of winning the election fair and square by himself.

First, we have to look at precisely how illicit this electioneering assistance was. It's bad form for Mosley to back Todt, but it's not like he was stuffing ballot boxes or anything. Vatanen was asking for external observers, but how much of this was a valid concern, and how much was posturing for the media. There have been no credible claims of miscounted votes, more votes than members, etc. Sure, there have been people working for the candidates, lieutenants if you will, but that's normal in any political election of this type. Emotional descriptions of these people, e.g. as Todt's "henchmen",

Second, we need to consider exactly how someone gets to be president of a highly political organisation such as the FIA. They don't get to win by being Tinkerbelle. We now have someone with an impressive pedigree in F1 at the head of the FIA. If Todt had attempted to go it alone, would we have had Todt as president, Vatanen as president, or would the FIA incumbents have gone for one of their own, a Donnelly or Nazir Hoosein, as president. Then imagine how much £*%" we'd be in.

The FIA is not going to change its spots overnight. But we now have a really credible president. And over time, the organisation can be reformed from the inside. For example, the conciliatory noises between the FIA and FOTA might indicate the next step. And Todt dividing power among more people, as also suggested, might be another step. But it's unrealistic to expect things to change immediately, and anyone taking on the job has to realise this. And so do we.

[FerrariFan63]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I was trying to get across that I don't think he will favour Ferrari in the way most people think he will. There was such a power struggle during the 2006 season at Maranello that Todt was effectively forced out of the team at the end of 2007. The fact that Todt was dead against Raikkonen being signed and continuing with Schumacher and Massa/Rossi was his preferred choice, this created tension between himself and Luca. He left Ferrari on the high of a double world championship, but on the inside he was very bitter about the driver signings and the fact Luca wanted to drop Marlboro in favour of a cleaner backer.

I personally think that if anything, and I hope this doesn't happen, he will be more ruthless when dealing with issues involving the Scuderia rather than favouritism. I think he'll be totally different to Max and all this aside, I think he'll show a more impartial element to the FIA....

No, I understood you. I was agreeing with you.