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[McLaren]

Yes I know 2009 isn't over yet but I can see a two horse race next year,I do hope i'm wrong.

No i'm not going to say McLaren/Ferrari.I think its going to be Ferrari v Red Bull.Adrian Newey can't be underestimated for a minute.
Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

I don't feel we will be 100% on the case,I hope i'm wrong.

I can see it being a battle between RB and ferrari for 1-2, and McLaren and Brawn for 3-4.

All this could be blown out of the window come testing ,but what is everyone elses thoughts ? (maybe i'm just being negative? )

[7UpJordan]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

[EwanM]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

Are you really sure Williams will be at the front given the Cosworth?

[7UpJordan]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

Are you really sure Williams will be at the front given the Cosworth?

The 2006 Cosworth was still more powerful than the current Toyota engine. Cosworth also have all winter to fiddle with it and retune it to their heat's content. This may be why Red Bull are also interested.

[McLaren]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

Are you really sure Williams will be at the front given the Cosworth?

Have to agree there can't see that happening

[racechick]

Yes I know 2009 isn't over yet but I can see a two horse race next year,I do hope i'm wrong.

No i'm not going to say McLaren/Ferrari.I think its going to be Ferrari v Red Bull.Adrian Newey can't be underestimated for a minute.
Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

I don't feel we will be 100% on the case,I hope i'm wrong.

I can see it being a battle between RB and ferrari for 1-2, and McLaren and Brawn for 3-4.

All this could be blown out of the window come testing ,but what is everyone elses thoughts ? (maybe i'm just being negative? )

Yeah, you just being negative. McLaren will be back

[JamesD89]

McLaren have been good for the best part of 10 years without KERS, I fancy they'll still be able to design a top car without it.

Next year's really tough to call, so many teams have a lot going for them. In contrast to this year, where for most teams it all seemed to be going against them. I think it will be unpredictable to start with but a lot more consistent once the season gets underway.

[IceManpjn]

Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

McLaren never needed KERS in 2008 when Lewis Hamilton won the 2008 World Drivers Championship or to defeat Kimi in Spa last year (yes, I have never forgotten that his win was taken away from him after the fact, and we still all know who actually won that race), and they never needed KERS to be one point shy of Hamilton winning the 2007 World Drivers Championship. They never needed KERS to be second in the Constructors Championship in 2008 and never needed it to be first place in 2007 (had they not been disqualified for Spygate). I don't see why they would need KERS to be competitive in 2010.

[scotty]

Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

McLaren never needed KERS in 2008 when Lewis Hamilton won the 2008 World Drivers Championship or to defeat Kimi in Spa last year (yes, I have never forgotten that his win was taken away from him after the fact, and we still all know who actually won that race), and they never needed KERS to be one point shy of Hamilton winning the 2007 World Drivers Championship. They never needed KERS to be second in the Constructors Championship in 2008 and never needed it to be first place in 2007 (had they not been disqualified for Spygate). I don't see why they would need KERS to be competitive in 2010.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like you're biased or anything...!

My tip for next year is Red Bull, with Ferrari, McLaren and Brawn there or thereabouts, if not challenging.

[McLaren]

Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

McLaren never needed KERS in 2008 when Lewis Hamilton won the 2008 World Drivers Championship or to defeat Kimi in Spa last year (yes, I have never forgotten that his win was taken away from him after the fact, and we still all know who actually won that race), and they never needed KERS to be one point shy of Hamilton winning the 2007 World Drivers Championship. They never needed KERS to be second in the Constructors Championship in 2008 and never needed it to be first place in 2007 (had they not been disqualified for Spygate). I don't see why they would need KERS to be competitive in 2010.

You are reffering to before the major rule changes.All I ment was that McLaren have only just come to terms with the new rules and without KERS at this moment in time are about half a second off the pace.

That is a hell of a lot to pull back in my mind,hope I'm proved wrong.

Lets not forget other teams starting developing the car for 2010 before them.But with the rule changes much smaller next year,I wouldn't of thought that would matter too much.

[Dutchcruijff]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

Are you really sure Williams will be at the front given the Cosworth?

The 2006 Cosworth was still more powerful than the current Toyota engine. Cosworth also have all winter to fiddle with it and retune it to their heat's content. This may be why Red Bull are also interested.

It's more of the fact that we have limited options left, coupled in with our good relationship with Cosworth. Renault engines, as much as RB will say did the job, were unreliable. They were good, but not great unlike the Merc engines (which have been vetoed). We're even considering Toyota engines, according to Marko . But, Cosworth must have something special up their sleeve because RB have all the technological data and assurance of the Renault engines, why would they turn to an unknown quantity?

[headless]

McLaren, Ferrari

[7UpJordan]

The battle at the front could be anybody out of Red Bull, Brawn, Ferrari, McLaren and Williams. They will all be knocking around the front with the fastest cars changing every race like we saw this year.

In the middle Renault will be looking to bounce back and force their way towards the front for which they have Kubica for, Toyota will struggle to get used to not throwing money, and Force India will come strong and join the front battles like they did this year at races like Spa and Monza. If Sauber/Quadbak are on the grid next year they'll stay in midfield and try to pick up where BMW are leaving off from this year. USF1 have been very vocal about settling in quickly, but that remains to be seen.

At the back Toro Rosso will be gobbled up by the new teams due to their neurotic, poor team management. If Toyota are still poor in slow corners they will drop right to the back again at races like Monaco.

Are you really sure Williams will be at the front given the Cosworth?

The 2006 Cosworth was still more powerful than the current Toyota engine. Cosworth also have all winter to fiddle with it and retune it to their heat's content. This may be why Red Bull are also interested.

It's more of the fact that we have limited options left, coupled in with our good relationship with Cosworth. Renault engines, as much as RB will say did the job, were unreliable. They were good, but not great unlike the Merc engines (which have been vetoed). We're even considering Toyota engines, according to Marko . But, Cosworth must have something special up their sleeve because RB have all the technological data and assurance of the Renault engines, why would they turn to an unknown quantity?

I'm surprised Red Bull have never bothered taking Toro Rosso's Ferrari engines and using them instead because the Ferrari is still one of the strongest engines in the field. I know Newey preferred the Renault to Ferrari because of its lower centre of gravity - so he says - but surely a top designer like Newey could build a car that suits the Ferrari engine better than the Toro Rosso chassis does.

[EwanM]

Isn't the Toro Rosso chassis practically Red Bull's earlier form now?

[Ineluke]

Yes I know 2009 isn't over yet but I can see a two horse race next year,I do hope i'm wrong.

No i'm not going to say McLaren/Ferrari.I think its going to be Ferrari v Red Bull.Adrian Newey can't be underestimated for a minute.
Yes McLaren have comeback over this season but you also have to remember that the KERS is basicly worth half a second a lap.

I don't feel we will be 100% on the case,I hope i'm wrong.

I can see it being a battle between RB and ferrari for 1-2, and McLaren and Brawn for 3-4.

All this could be blown out of the window come testing ,but what is everyone elses thoughts ? (maybe i'm just being negative? )

If you really think McLaren are not going to be up their with Ferrari and the rest next year,you are dreaming or it's just wishful thinking.The second half of the 2009 season has seen McLaren shine,and that's with a car that is still lagging behind. Make no mistake McLaren wont be making the same mistake next year.Let's look at it,if McLaren had started the season like they have been doing the second half of the season,their is a good chance that it would of been them fighting for the WDC and constructors title along side brawn and Redbull.

Like it or not Lewis has been driving exceptional the second half of the season.Look where he came from in Brazil,yes button won the WDC and came from 14th on the grid,but lewis came from 18 and not a word was said.

My prediction is Lewis or Alonso winning next year,as for Brawn and Redbull,i think they will slot back into the next best teams after Ferrari and McLaren unleashed their new motors.Ross will not have the element of surprise in 2010 and we all know that button can't win if his car is not perfect,look at his second half season compared to Rubens who has really out driven him in the same car.

Sorry but you are talking bull..

Oh and farrari really have been great this season...right?.......