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[toothe]

well, firstly they need to keep there brake disks warm, cold brake disks causes problems.

As for him passing the safety car and getting alongside (wasnt it mark webber who went right up alongside hamilton?) and the safety car actually had grip compared to the f1 cars lack of grip.

The cars have to stay behind hamilton, if h brakes they brake, if he accelerates they accelerate.

the opening part with alonso, its hamilitons choice when he goes and no car can pass until passed the start finish line which is 3/4 down the track so wouldnt make much difference when he went.

Remeber the incident involving kubica crashing into hamilton? alonso running him off the road few races ago. etc. they all use dirty tactics. what about the kubica vs ferrari battle on the last lap. spose that was fair?

i remeber schui blocking the last corner after crashing in qualifying to stop alonso getting pole last year.

people have small memmories. hamilton is a great driver, whether his tactis were dirty or not last race, but under the conditions and the previous races i think he is entitled to have an odd momment.

the crash tho was webbers fault (and i think webber blamed the other red bull ) because if hamilton breaked he should have had enough distance to stop. if you going down the road and a car infront breaks and you cant stop its your fault not there. same applies here.

he isnt the best driver ever, but people saying he isnt a worthy champ etc is just ridiculous. he raced with the big boys and if you look at some of his passes over the season. remeber it was only his 2nd time in a f1 car in the rain and it wasnt normal rain.

[Ruby]

I have to say I really don't think Hamilton has done anything deliberately, I don't think he's the type to mess about in the hope of distracting others - he's too committed to the race and his own performance not any other driver. However, I do think he was in part at fault for the accident. I don't even think it warrants punishment in some respects at least because of the driving conditions.

I think he went too fast into the bend and had to pull out wide to correct his mistake and avoid hitting the SC. Then it all rolled on from there. I also think that after pulling so wide he took a hell of a long time to speed back up which is annoying. He could have pulled out the way of the SC (which he did) then once on the outside line continued at a faster speed and slid back into formation so Webber didn't risk overtaking him at all. Put it down to bad conditions/inexperience whatever. I suppose it's easy to speculate in hindsight but either way, because of his braking/slowing down he was more than 5 car lengths behind the safety car for a good amount of time which is in itself bending the rules, deliberate or not.

[WaldemarNZ]

[quote="texasmr2"][quote="WaldemarNZ"]There is simply no need for a “championsâ€

[McLaren Fan]

I have to say I really don't think Hamilton has done anything deliberately, I don't think he's the type to mess about in the hope of distracting others - he's too committed to the race and his own performance not any other driver. However, I do think he was in part at fault for the accident. I don't even think it warrants punishment in some respects at least because of the driving conditions.

I think he went too fast into the bend and had to pull out wide to correct his mistake and avoid hitting the SC. Then it all rolled on from there. I also think that after pulling so wide he took a hell of a long time to speed back up which is annoying. He could have pulled out the way of the SC (which he did) then once on the outside line continued at a faster speed and slid back into formation so Webber didn't risk overtaking him at all. Put it down to bad conditions/inexperience whatever. I suppose it's easy to speculate in hindsight but either way, because of his braking/slowing down he was more than 5 car lengths behind the safety car for a good amount of time which is in itself bending the rules, deliberate or not.

Given that there were rivers flowing across the track, has it not occured to you that perhaps he suddenly went through one and lost grip? Furthermore, Webber was not the required five car lengths back. If Webber were to have followed the rules, he would have been able to stop on time. Further, you have to question why Webber immediately blamed Vettel and now has changed his story, and why Vettel said it was all his fault. Finally, if it is ajudged that that Hamilton did cause the crash, will Vettel's penalty be scrubbed?

[Ruby]

I have to say I really don't think Hamilton has done anything deliberately, I don't think he's the type to mess about in the hope of distracting others - he's too committed to the race and his own performance not any other driver. However, I do think he was in part at fault for the accident. I don't even think it warrants punishment in some respects at least because of the driving conditions.

I think he went too fast into the bend and had to pull out wide to correct his mistake and avoid hitting the SC. Then it all rolled on from there. I also think that after pulling so wide he took a hell of a long time to speed back up which is annoying. He could have pulled out the way of the SC (which he did) then once on the outside line continued at a faster speed and slid back into formation so Webber didn't risk overtaking him at all. Put it down to bad conditions/inexperience whatever. I suppose it's easy to speculate in hindsight but either way, because of his braking/slowing down he was more than 5 car lengths behind the safety car for a good amount of time which is in itself bending the rules, deliberate or not.

Given that there were rivers flowing across the track, has it not occured to you that perhaps he suddenly went through one and lost grip? Furthermore, Webber was not the required five car lengths back. If Webber were to have followed the rules, he would have been able to stop on time. Further, you have to question why Webber immediately blamed Vettel and now has changed his story, and why Vettel said it was all his fault. Finally, if it is ajudged that that Hamilton did cause the crash, will Vettel's penalty be scrubbed?

Maybe he did lose grip, who knows? The fact is his vehicle instigated the incident, regardless of why. It's going to have a knock-on effect when cars are all travelling in formation, it's basic traffic pattern. If one slows, the rest have to follow.

The 5 car length thing is for the safety car & the leading car, it is also the maximum distance, not the minimum. Does it say in the rules that all cars have to be at least 5 lengths apart? If so fair enough but I haven't seen that so far.

Webber was probably angry at Vettel because he was the one who wasn't looking and shunted him! He hasn't changed his story anyway, he's just also that Hamilton's driving was off. Vettel took responsibility as he should but has always maintained that he was distracted and looking at Hamilton as his actions were confusing.

I don't think Vettel's penalty should be scrubbed, end of the day he was looking elsewhere and not at the car in front. I'm sure he'll learn from it, even experienced drivers get distracted.

[ArtHowe]

Mark Webber, Red Bull (6th, +0.843s):
“Away from today's events, I would just like to make it clear that, although I criticised Hamilton's driving in yesterday's FIA Press Conference, at no time have I made any official complaint about anyone's driving following Sunday's Japanese Grand Prix.â€

[mudd]

the crash tho was webbers fault (and i think webber blamed the other red bull ) because if hamilton breaked he should have had enough distance to stop. if you going down the road and a car infront breaks and you cant stop its your fault not there. same applies here.

I seem to recall Webber stopping and Vettel not stopping, and youre already forgetting that Vettel himself said it was his fault and has been penalised after an investigation.

Lewis' erratic behaviour is not explained by aquaplaning.. once again check out the video.

It comes down to the fact that theyre pro drivers and these things shouldnt happen behind a safety car.

[SerenityX]

Do we have an idea of when the decision will be made? It's nearly 8pm already in Shanghai.

[doctorgolf]

Why is Webber being such a jerk ? He slagged off Vettel on air after the collision and is now trying to blame Hamilton (ie, not a Red Bull driver).

[Selcouth_Feline]

Hamilton - no penalty
Vettel's penalty has been annulled

[pit_babe]

Personally I'm starting to think that F1 is getting raciet. 1st black driver and everyone is out to make sure he dont win.It is no longer a sport. The drivers act like spoilt prima donnas and the FIA is corrupt . That apart, how many here know what its like to drive a F1 car ?? None I bet. yet to read some of these posts it sounds like everyone is a world champ. Driving my yamaha on the M4 in the rain is bad enough I can only imagine what its like to drive an F1 car in Fuji's conditions. So before slagging off lewis remember no one here is in a position to criticise

[mudd]

remember no one here is in a position to criticise

Im sure that wont stop everyone ..

[saz17]

i think there is a lot of hostility between the drivers, no one expected this young man to come in and prove himself in the way he did, its a human failing to become un nereved by somebody coming in and doing so well.

It is a good thing, as it means all the rest will have to up their game and it brings an element of challenge for everyone else.

Some people do not like others who are more succesful than them, especially someone with a lot less experience. At the end of the day the drivers are human beings not robots and have the smae emotions as every one else.


all just in my opinion of course

[ArtHowe]

And, in light of recent events, a very valid opinion it is Saz17.

[8-ball]

i think we can all agree its better for everyone if the title is decided on the track instead of in the FIA courtroom