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By f1 shoemaker
#163999
I had always thought Imola 1994 was the greatest tragedy to come to F1 but now Im not so sure after reading about the 1960 Belgium Grand Prix which I had only just learnt about after reading a new F1 book I got last Monday, to me this has to be F1s greatest tragedy but forgotten overshadowed by Imola 94.

In a wet qualifying Stirling Moss who had currently set the fastest lap time of the day and was heading for pole position spun his Lotus at Eau Rouge flipping the car and throwing him from the cockpit, on impact with the ground Moss sustained 2 broke legs, broken ribs and nose and was knocked unconscious. Although he was back in 2 races time he would retire the following year due to leg pains as an aftermath from this incident. A few minutes later another Lotus of Mike Taylor who would be starting his 2nd GP at Belgium suffered a steering collum failure causing him to crash head first into some trees. Miraculously he survived but with a broken neck would remain totally paralysed for the rest of his life.

In the race which would be another wet day was marred by tragedy. Cooper driver Chris Bristow who was starting his 4th GP at Spa spun off in an almost identical crash to Moss the previous day at Eau Rouge while fighting for 6th place with the Ferrari of Willy Mairesse. Although his crash was identical to Moss's crash he came off a lot worse he was thrown into a barb wired fence where his head got caught in ripping it from his body, killing him instantly in a gruesome incident.

Only a few laps later the Lotus of Alan Stacey was killed in a very rare incident which would lead to his death. While racing along the Kemmel Straight, Stacey was hit in the face by an incoming bird killing both instantaneously, Staceys car now out of control flew out of control landing in some trees in an accident that would have killed Stacey even if he had survived with the bird crash.

Had to be the worse day ever for Formula 1 especially Britain as 2 of its drivers were dead and another 2 severely wounded, also it must have felt horrible for Colin Chapman and the Lotus team who had lost 2 of its drivers permanently, 1 dead another paralysed and his star driver Moss out of action for quite awhile.

I reckon Moss could have won the championship if not for this when he returned he never was the same driver.
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By myownalias
#164038
Spa '60 weekend makes Imola '94 look like a minor skirmish [not to make light of Senna/Ratzenberger's deaths], 1960 looks light a warzone!

I'm happy safety standards have been improved since then!
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By Gilles 27
#164041
That race had a lasting effect on Jim Clark, he hated Spa for ever after that. He finished the race with blood spattered up the side of his car. Monza in 1933 was a bad one too. I think the old Spa was probably the most dangerous track ever used for a world championship F1 race. Bremgarten, Charade and the Nordschliefe were pretty bad too but Spa was just on a whole different level.

I always thought Bristow's crash was at Burnenville... :confused:
By Amanda
#164045
I always feel that the tragedies involving spectators are too easily forgotten.

The 1961 Italian GP - Wolfgang Von Trips and Jim Clark touched sending Trips' car crashing into the crowd, killing 15 spectators and Trips himself.

I know it's not strictly F1 but the 1955 Le Mans crash was horrific, 85 people died.
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By Gilles 27
#164046
The 1950s were particularly bad for sportscar accidents involving spectators. A number were killed over the various years the Carrera Panamericana ran and the Cuban Grand Prix in 1957 (I think) was a bad one. The 1957 and last ever Mille Miglia saw a number of spectators killed by De Portago's car near the end of the race. Le Mans was considered a dangerous race even in the 1950s but i think the ACO really led the way late in the decade in terms of trying to make the great road races as safe as possible. it is the only one of those races that still survives and i think that is probably the reason.
By Amanda
#164047
The 1950s were particularly bad for sportscar accidents involving spectators. A number were killed over the various years the Carrera Panamericana ran and the Cuban Grand Prix in 1957 (I think) was a bad one. The 1957 and last ever Mille Miglia saw a number of spectators killed by De Portago's car near the end of the race. Le Mans was considered a dangerous race even in the 1950s but i think the ACO really led the way late in the decade in terms of trying to make the great road races as safe as possible. it is the only one of those races that still survives and i think that is probably the reason.



I didn't know about the Mille Miglia one, apparently it was 10 spectators including 5 children. The Carrera Panamericana was cancelled because of that 1955 Le Mans accident according to wikipedia, they had 27 deaths in 5 years!

The 50's certainly was a particularly tragic decade as far as racing deaths goes, the 60's and 70's didn't fare much better for drivers ("Oh no, not again...").
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By Gilles 27
#164048
Well the late 1960s and early 1970s were probably the worst years for F1 as the cars had a lot more power than they did pre-1966 when they were limited to 1.5 litres (!) but they were still racing on the same circuits with little or no armco, no standard medical procedures and no professional squad of marshals. I've never quite understood why we still don't have professional marshals, i imagine it is to do with Bernie's pennie pinching. If safety needs to be further improved, I'd rather see them do things like that than dump clumsy chicanes all over the place like at Catalunya.

In reality the Mille Miglia and Carrera Panamericana could never have survived but along with Dundrod, the Targa Florio, Chimay and many others they made up the backbone of the great European racing heritage, before F1, before the WRC and it is a shame that only Le Mans survives.
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By darwin dali
#164113

I know it's not strictly F1 but the 1955 Le Mans crash was horrific, 85 people died.

And the reason why Switzerland outlawed F1 races on their soil.
By Gaz
#164244

I know it's not strictly F1 but the 1955 Le Mans crash was horrific, 85 people died.

And the reason why Switzerland outlawed F1 races on their soil.


Switzerland hates cars full stop

I bet if you drove a Ferrari or something of that ilk in Switzerland you'd get dragged out and beaten.

Its terrible with these deaths but i'm so glad the rest of the world didn't react in the same way.
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By darwin dali
#164258

I know it's not strictly F1 but the 1955 Le Mans crash was horrific, 85 people died.

And the reason why Switzerland outlawed F1 races on their soil.


Switzerland hates cars full stop

I bet if you drove a Ferrari or something of that ilk in Switzerland you'd get dragged out and beaten.

Its terrible with these deaths but i'm so glad the rest of the world didn't react in the same way.


I don't think so - Monteverdi was Swiss. Smart cars are a Swiss invention. They're always participating in the Solar Race. There's a high percentage of Swiss that follow F1 as well.
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By scotty
#164286
Smart cars are a Swiss invention.


Don't say that like it's a good thing! :nono::twisted:
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By EwanM
#164290
Well the late 1960s and early 1970s were probably the worst years for F1 as the cars had a lot more power than they did pre-1966 when they were limited to 1.5 litres (!) but they were still racing on the same circuits with little or no armco, no standard medical procedures and no professional squad of marshals. I've never quite understood why we still don't have professional marshals, i imagine it is to do with Bernie's pennie pinching. If safety needs to be further improved, I'd rather see them do things like that than dump clumsy chicanes all over the place like at Catalunya.

In reality the Mille Miglia and Carrera Panamericana could never have survived but along with Dundrod, the Targa Florio, Chimay and many others they made up the backbone of the great European racing heritage, before F1, before the WRC and it is a shame that only Le Mans survives.


Marshals aren't part of FOM's deal. It is up to the race organisers to supply the trackside facilities and marshals etc.
Bernie's huge sanction fees, even for the 70s, was a key issue in improving safety. He actually deserves more credit in a way because he forced alot of the circuits out of the wilderness. He was the one who also appointed Sid Watkins to be FOCA's surgeon and come to every GP from 79 onwards, when it was clear that the circuits were not taking the proper steps.
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By darwin dali
#164315
Smart cars are a Swiss invention.


Don't say that like it's a good thing! :nono::twisted:

But, but...they are so cute!
We have one in town which is a Domino's Pizza delivery vehicle.
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By scotty
#164321
Smart cars are a Swiss invention.


Don't say that like it's a good thing! :nono::twisted:

But, but...they are so cute!
We have one in town which is a Domino's Pizza delivery vehicle.


Large pizza's collection only then?

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