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[bud]

I think you'll find they do use the courts.

For their own matters?

[SingaporeSling]

It’s like opposition trying to win elections in Iran. The election procedure is controlled by the currently ruling FIA team headed by Mosley. This team openly supports the campaign of Todt and use their positions and resources to support Todt’s campaign. If Vatanen wants to have even a slight change to win he needs to get his support up (mostly done I assume) and make sure that the voting is fair. If he seriously wants to win he needs to challenge FIA in all the areas, and try shake up the organization, which is what he is doing now.

The whole reaction from Mosley’s side probably will create more support to Vatanen. The fact that the existing president uses his powers and issues official FIA press statements to criticize one candidate, pretty much shows how much he understands about democracy and being neutral. Irony of course lies in the statements that he at the same time asks all candidates to stop mudslinging, but he as FIA president obviously can continue it as he feels like and be sa biased as he wants. Funnily enough the election campaign looks more like Vatanen running against Mosley than Vatanen vs. Todt.

It is of course another question all together whether FIA should be a democratic organization and how it should elect its president.

[autogyro]

Perhaps the failed Euro trough feeder Vatanen would be so kind as to substantiate his unsupported allegations?
He has after all run absolutely nothing and has no idea what the FIA is or what it does.

he may have some idea that the FIA is up to its neck in corruption and needs changing.

Perhaps race-chick you to would like to define your accusations about the FIA and your statement that it is 'up to it's neck in corruption'?
You have facts to support this in a court of law?

The FIA dont do courts of law, they make up their own laws as as they go. However buying votes to stay in power after whipgate springs to mind for starters.

Ehhhh??

What has that got to do with the legal position and your accusations of corruption?
The results of the court cases on that issue are there for all to see.
They are not connected to the running of the FIA in any way.
It is for those in the FIA to decide who is suitable for President, not a few F1 fans who think they know how to run the sport but on balance know about as much as Ari Vatanen, which is the square root of f--- all.

[autogyro]

Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.

[EwanM]

Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.

Agreed. Bring it.

[EwanM]

I think you'll find they do use the courts.

For their own matters?

They need to follow proceedures. They are part of the IOC commission and what not.

Vatenen boobed on this one, he didn't appear to read the FIA rules regarding the election :S

[bud]

Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.

mate quit the high horse act youre making a fool of yourself! But ok did you not read the letter Max wrote about Ari that he sent to an Arab motor club?


but if you like being a smart arse you might find the sarcasm in this pitpass feature a tad funny! http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_item.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[EwanM]

Ah, such a dodgy governing body. Maxism lives on though - Ari can't stop that. If by some chance he was elected then he would surely just be an isolated president.

[bud]

Ah, such a dodgy governing body. Maxism lives on though - Ari can't stop that. If by some chance he was elected then he would surely just be an isolated president.

you say he will be an isolated president...... and you say the FIA isnt corrupt

[racechick]

Ok racechick and any other of the anti Max detractors.
Here is your chance to prove your comments.
Please post all the details, facts and evidence racechick to support your statement that Max Mosley has 'bought votes'.
This is an ideal place to substantiate these accusations.

Agreed. Bring it.

Here you go then:-
The inconsistent way he has allowed stewards to policeF1
Employing stewards with little F1 knowledge who after making innapropriate judgements(spa) then boast that they will be able to get free drinks and meals in Italy.

Innconsistent and inappropriate penalties to teams he has issues with, no penalties for the same infringements to other teams

Using his position to settle old scores

Allowing Ferrari to race under more favourable conditions than the rest of the grid (extra money payments and veto vote on rule change)

Promising monetary rewards to small countries with little motorsport involvemnent in return for voting him in after his whipping scandal. Countries with huge motorsport involvemnet and traditions only got the same votes as countirs with no involvement, so buying votes was easy.

Setting in place a voting structure whereby any abstension or no show counted as a vote in his favour

And more recently his attemts to make the vote for his successor an unfair vote, here is a quote from an article

"In a letter to Prince Faisal of Jordan, who hosted a conference of 32 national motor sport federation heads in Amman this week, Mosley warned Vatanen's supporters that to vote for the Finn would create an irreparable split in the FIA."

How would it create a split? Does he mean some people will not accept the result of a vote if it goes in Vatanen's favour??
And...

"Vatanen's conviction that support for him is waxing has been endorsed by several who attended the Amman conference. Mishaal Al-Sudairy, who is chairman of the Saudi Arabia Motor Federation, told the Guardian that ­ following the conference in Jordan, 80% of the Arabic countries favour Vatanen – a swing that has been heavily influenced by outrage at Mosley's tone in his letter to a member of Jordan's royal family.

The content and tone of the letter has led to genuine concerns about the credibility of the election process. A resolution of the conference was to write a formal letter to the FIA calling for outside supervision of the vote. "In the interests of democracy, transparency and integrity, we must be sure that this election is held in a fair and open environment through a secret ballot, and under close third-party supervision," said Faisal.

Faisal's fears were underlined by the experience of Uganda's motor sport federation president, Jack Wavamunno, who like Faisal is a senior member of Vatanen's campaign team. "The way in which I was pressurised was inappropriate," he told the conference. "I support Ari because I truly believe he is the best candidate for Uganda and Africa, but I was very saddened with the way that his opposition tried to convince me otherwise through threats and by other means."

Threats????? sounds all above board here to me.

here's the link if you wish to read the whole article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oc ... mosley-fia

[EwanM]

Ah, such a dodgy governing body. Maxism lives on though - Ari can't stop that. If by some chance he was elected then he would surely just be an isolated president.

you say he will be an isolated president...... and you say the FIA isnt corrupt

I've never said it isn't corrupt. I'm not anti-FIA like many users are though.

[bud]

so you saying you like corruption?

[EwanM]

so you saying you like corruption?

I'm saying that I like its place in the world of motorsport in principle. Unfortunately it is riddled with corruption, but it can't really be changed overnight and I doubt Ari would be able to change anything.

I also like the dimension of the FIA in terms of F1. The whole political side of Formula One is just as fascinating as the actual ontrack action in some cases.

[EwanM]

In other FIA-related news, it looks like they will be going to court over Briatore.

Briatore takes FIA to court

By Jonathan Noble Sunday, October 18th 2009, 13:21 GMT

Flavio BriatoreRenault boss Flavio Briatore will begin his fightback against a lifetime ban from motor racing on Monday when he takes the matter to the French courts.

Briatore is set to lodge papers at the Tribunal de Grand Instance in Paris to try and cancel the lifetime ban that was handed to him by the FIA as the result of his involvement in Renault's race-fix controversy at last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

In a statement issued on Sunday, Briatore stated that he believes the FIA had acted incorrectly in the way it dealt with its hearing into the race-fix case, and the punishment handed down.

"In this case, the FIA has been used as a tool to exact vengeance on behalf of one man," said Briatore in the statement. "This decision is a legal absurdity and I have every confidence that the French courts will resolve the matter justly and impartially."

Briatore has stated that the grounds for his action were that there was a delay in the issue of the summons, a failure to state the charges in advance and a lack of access provided to prosecution document and to the key witness.

Briatore also stated that there had been a 'breach of the natural rules of justice' including a lack of impartiality of the body passing judgement, the secret negotiation of the decision before the hearing and the granting of selective immunities.

He also claims that the FIA has abused its power by imposing a penalty on a non-licensee of the FIA, the disproportionate and illegal nature of an indefinite ban and the threat to refuse to renew FIA licences to any driver or entity involved with Briatore.

As well as trying to overthrow his punishment, Briatore is also demanding compensation for the damage caused to his reputation - with a report in the Journal du Dimanche suggesting he is seeking as much as one million euros.

If the judges in Paris rule that there is a valid case, then the matter could go to trial in around one month's time, with a decision possible before the end of the year.

[EwanM]

Lmao sorry I just read that article racechick posted from the Guardian.

"I am like Barack Obama" says Vatenen.