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By darwin dali
#162351
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 66%, the highest end of office rating of any US president since World War II.
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By bud
#162352
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 66%, the highest end of office rating of any US president since World War II.


i was talking about his umpalumpa scandal not how good he was.
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By darwin dali
#162355
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 66%, the highest end of office rating of any US president since World War II.


i was talking about his umpalumpa scandal not how good he was.


I can name plenty of other famous people who have been ousted doing consensual activities, it goes with the job description just ask Clinton!

He was NOT ousted and left on a high approval rating. So, to bring him up in the context of MM is just wrong :thumbup:
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By bud
#162358
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 66%, the highest end of office rating of any US president since World War II.


i was talking about his umpalumpa scandal not how good he was.


I can name plenty of other famous people who have been ousted doing consensual activities, it goes with the job description just ask Clinton!

He was NOT ousted and left on a high approval rating. So, to bring him up in the context of MM is just wrong :thumbup:


how is it wrong? Im not talking about him being ousted out of his position, because clearly Max wasnt, he stayed on. I was pointing out to GIlles that a high profile gets you attention of the public eye and if you use prostitutes or have extra marital affairs then youre the one taking the risk of your sexual activities being "ousted". I used Clinton becuase clearly he and Miss Lowinski were consensual adults.

comprende?
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By darwin dali
#162359
Clinton left office with an approval rating at 66%, the highest end of office rating of any US president since World War II.


i was talking about his umpalumpa scandal not how good he was.


I can name plenty of other famous people who have been ousted doing consensual activities, it goes with the job description just ask Clinton!

He was NOT ousted and left on a high approval rating. So, to bring him up in the context of MM is just wrong :thumbup:


how is it wrong? Im not talking about him being ousted out of his position, because clearly Max wasnt, he stayed on. I was pointing out to GIlles that a high profile gets you attention of the public eye and if you use prostitutes or have extra marital affairs then youre the one taking the risk of your sexual activities being "ousted". I used Clinton becuase clearly he and Miss Lowinski were consensual adults.

comprende?

Well, you're using the term 'ousted' the wrong way then. You mean 'outed' in this context. Comprende?
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By Gilles 27
#162378
Nice one Ewan, and yeh, Mosley was a far better president than Ballestre.

I don't even see what we are supposed to be so shocked and appalled about with the scandal, apart from the fact that he was cheating on his wife. It was all legal, private, consensual and to be honest his sexual preferences may be distasteful to some but this is the 21st century. I honestly thought British society had become sufficiently enlightened to not descend into moral panic when a paper publishes a story about someone engaging in a sexual activity not officially sanctioned by the church of England.

The Nazi element, which was tenuous at best was added by News International after a few days of running the story because it was not having the desired impact. The story did not even relate to anything regarding Max Mosley's job, it was just something he was doing in his spare time, which to be honest is no-one's business.

I was particularly disappointed with the utter spinelessness displayed by the F1 paddock in general when after it began to look as if a coup was in progress, they all waited to see which way the penny would fall and then scrambled to get into line on the side they thought would come out best. Even the drivers got involved! Toyota deciding to be the first to condemn Mosley was in a way surprising as it was the first genuine example of initiative shown by Toyota in F1 but was also quite pathetic as it showed them for the conservative, corporate waste of space they really are.

The only one who showed evidence of possessing even one bollock in their press statements was Kimi (as usual) who was at first the only one not desperate to stick the knife in and publicly said that what Max gets up to in his own time is his own business.
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By bud
#162393
ohhh poor Max :rolleyes: like I said he left himself open to this scandal by using prostitutes.

But hey GIlles i dunno mate if you dont see this bloke has a bad character then maybe that says something about what you consider a good bloke...
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By billindenver
#162403
Nice one Ewan, and yeh, Mosley was a far better president than Ballestre.

I don't even see what we are supposed to be so shocked and appalled about with the scandal, apart from the fact that he was cheating on his wife. It was all legal, private, consensual and to be honest his sexual preferences may be distasteful to some but this is the 21st century. I honestly thought British society had become sufficiently enlightened to not descend into moral panic when a paper publishes a story about someone engaging in a sexual activity not officially sanctioned by the church of England.

The Nazi element, which was tenuous at best was added by News International after a few days of running the story because it was not having the desired impact. The story did not even relate to anything regarding Max Mosley's job, it was just something he was doing in his spare time, which to be honest is no-one's business.

I was particularly disappointed with the utter spinelessness displayed by the F1 paddock in general when after it began to look as if a coup was in progress, they all waited to see which way the penny would fall and then scrambled to get into line on the side they thought would come out best. Even the drivers got involved! Toyota deciding to be the first to condemn Mosley was in a way surprising as it was the first genuine example of initiative shown by Toyota in F1 but was also quite pathetic as it showed them for the conservative, corporate waste of space they really are.

The only one who showed evidence of possessing even one bollock in their press statements was Kimi (as usual) who was at first the only one not desperate to stick the knife in and publicly said that what Max gets up to in his own time is his own business.



I have to agree with Giles. As is typical in human society, when we dislike someone we jump on their every action...posturing as offended by whatever they do. Mosely has been a corrupt, inconsistent leader of F1...so I dislike him. The fact that he has some crazy fetish is immaterial to me. So he bangs women dressed up as guards...that's no worse than sleeping with a signed picture of Hamilton under your pillow like Bud. :hehe: Just jerking your chain Bud old chap. In all seriousness though, I couldn't care less what Max does behind closed doors and I am not going to jump on that particular bandwagon simply because I can't stand the guy. If his wife doesn't mind...why should I? If she does mind..that's between them.
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By EwanM
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Nice one Ewan, and yeh, Mosley was a far better president than Ballestre.

I don't even see what we are supposed to be so shocked and appalled about with the scandal, apart from the fact that he was cheating on his wife. It was all legal, private, consensual and to be honest his sexual preferences may be distasteful to some but this is the 21st century. I honestly thought British society had become sufficiently enlightened to not descend into moral panic when a paper publishes a story about someone engaging in a sexual activity not officially sanctioned by the church of England.

The Nazi element, which was tenuous at best was added by News International after a few days of running the story because it was not having the desired impact. The story did not even relate to anything regarding Max Mosley's job, it was just something he was doing in his spare time, which to be honest is no-one's business.

I was particularly disappointed with the utter spinelessness displayed by the F1 paddock in general when after it began to look as if a coup was in progress, they all waited to see which way the penny would fall and then scrambled to get into line on the side they thought would come out best. Even the drivers got involved! Toyota deciding to be the first to condemn Mosley was in a way surprising as it was the first genuine example of initiative shown by Toyota in F1 but was also quite pathetic as it showed them for the conservative, corporate waste of space they really are.

The only one who showed evidence of possessing even one bollock in their press statements was Kimi (as usual) who was at first the only one not desperate to stick the knife in and publicly said that what Max gets up to in his own time is his own business.


Yup I totally agree with your sentiments. Alot of the "great" leaders in all areas of society over the years haven't exactly had perfect personal lives. Again though, although I wouldn't promote what he did, criminal proceedings weren't brought upon him and he was still able to do the job - his position was never untenable because sexual interactions have nothing to do with the Motoring World.

People are too shallow when they think of Mosley. They are quick to point the finger at him because some of the decisions taken by the FIA were unfavourable to their team or the sport. F1 has still survived hasn't it? I've said it before on this forum. I don't entirely agree on some of the things he and his buddy Bernie have done over the years, but on the other hand without them Formula One would be no where near the sport it is today. Yes there is open conflict and constant corruption, but F1 is just as much a business as it is a sport - infact even more so. These practices go on in the business world, and they do in F1. Simple.

F1 is in a much better position now as where it was back in 1991.
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By Gilles 27
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My problem with the way F1 is run does not lie with either Bernie or Max in isolation but their positions at the head of the two main institutions which govern F1 and their partnership. The FIA under Max has done things to benefit FOM and vice-versa and this should not happen in a sport or a business as it has the potential to introduce unfairness and to interfere with competition. As for Max, he has done more for safety in F1 than anyone except for people like Jackie Stewart and Sid Watkins and he represented a vast improvement over the president he replaced.
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By bud
#162431
his position was never untenable because sexual interactions have nothing to do with the Motoring World.


Obviously people on here havent had a real job in their lives? The way you conduct yourself on and off the job represents who you work for! this latest interview is NOT proper conduct of someone who is head of such a body as the FIA. as for the umpalumpa scandal he should have known being president he was a target for such events, and in doing so bringing F1 and the FIA into disrepute! if he wants to root around quit become a no body!

no body is accountable for their own actions anymore! the duck Gen Y war cry hey Gilles and Ewan :whip:
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By Gilles 27
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But peoples' actions in their private life shouldn't affect their careers unless they do something in direct conflict with the responsibilities of their job. Max is responsible for things relating to the motor industry and motorsport, not things relating to single partner relationships and vanilla sexual practices. Whatever people think about his choice of recreational activity, it has nothing to do with his ability to do his job. The scandal only caused trouble for the FIA because News International wanted blood and so hammered the story out until others started to run with it. It was another example of how certain newspapers take it upon themselves to decide what the news actually is rather than simply reporting genuinely important occurrences back to the public.
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By bud
#162436
youre not understanding how Max is accountable here are you? Like I said thats the Gen Y mentality showing through! See Max chose this and doing so put himself in a vulnerable position. X Files had a good slogan, trust no one!


answer me this if Max didnt sleep around would the news of the world be able to post a story about him in a sleazy manner?
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