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[racechick]

We came to a point where people can't post a thread without replies like "Ferrari is arrogant", "Ferrari wins just in court", "FIA is submitted to Ferrari", and craps like these...
You can't imagine how much funny is your imagination in creating such ridiculous stuff .

Yes there is alot of Ferrari hatred on here.

I wonder why that should be??? Ferrari have history, they have romance, they have charisma, they produce beautiful cars,cars to die for! They have everything in place to be the perfect racing team. Characters like Enzo who loved and encouraged his drivers to race head to head on the track.. They have so much and yet people dont like them? What could it be? Erm,let me think.... its there in the corners of my mind...could it be their recent penchant for.....Nope its gone. No idea. Beats the hell out of me.

[texasmr2]

I dunno if that's a reaction to my post which certainly wasn't made out of hatred but out of a wish that Ferrari could've given Kimi a car that consistently worked throughout the season. I admit I like to see British drivers and teams doing well but I love to see great racing between well matched rivals even more.

I was just replying to certom's post not to your's.

[stonemonkey]

ok, sorry. I just got the wrong end of the stick there.

[ArtHowe]

There is no Ferrari hatred that is not engendered by the bloodlust of Ferrari as a corporation. There are, apparently, no ends to which they will go in the prosecution of their insatiable desire for F1 dominance. When their supposed superiority is challenged, they cry, whinge and scream "foul". If they had even a scintilla of grace, they would view defeat as a spur to redoubled effort rather than a reason for a lawsuit and world class pouting. That Montezemolo thinks it fit to deny Hamilton any glory for what can only be described as remarkable achievements in his rookie year, does nothing positive for Ferrari's image other than compound the prevailing body of opinion on this forum that Ferrari, and by association it's diehard fans, are in denial of some fundamental truths regarding the nature of ethical behaviour. I, for one, shall continue to resist the "red tide" and their self righteous fabrications until either they change their business philosophy or are beaten into oblivion.

"Red tide", by the way, is also a marine organism that flourishes in warm waters. It is cyclical and is responsible for massive fish kills as it robs the waters of oxygen. If an onshore breeze is experienced, it causes the inhabitants to have severe respiratory problems, which include fits of coughing and vomiting and can result in death in severe cases of respratory distress. The analogy is thus appropriate.

Montezemolo simply betrays his true mean character by his ill advised observation.

[britishtrident]

Speaking for myself and lot of people who are up in arms about Ferraris behaviour in using the FAI as a weapon against other teams, we love racing we love the blood red cars but hate to see this sort of nonsense going on.

Over decades years Ferrari have a long history of not playing fair. As an example just before he died DR. Harvey Postlethwaite confessed that at the start of the 1980s when Williams were the team to beat in F1 he and team of Ferrari engineeers had broke into the Williams garage and spent several hours measuring and photographing details of cars.

[britishtrident]

I wonder why that should be??? Ferrari have history, they have romance, they have charisma, they produce beautiful cars,cars to die for! They have everything in place to be the perfect racing team. Characters like Enzo who loved and encouraged his drivers to race head to head on the track.. They have so much and yet people dont like them? What could it be? Erm,let me think.... its there in the corners of my mind...could it be their recent penchant for.....Nope its gone. No idea. Beats the hell out of me.

I think you will find drivers who drove for "the Commendatore" have rather a different view of his "encouragement" Johin Surtees a Ferrari world champion who's talent is often forgotten because it was eclipsed by the Jim Clark's left because of Enzo's tantrums and back stabing. Even the easy going Phil Hill world champion for Ferrari in 1961 and one of most genial men ever to sit in an F1 car fell out with Enzo.

Enzo's pep talks (!) to drivers are thought by many to have wound some drivers up so much as to have contributed to fatal accidents.

[Mikep99]

Ferrari have history, they have romance, they have charisma, they produce beautiful cars,cars to die for! They have everything in place to be the perfect racing team. Characters like Enzo who loved and encouraged his drivers to race head to head on the track.

You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the reason ,the only reason I must add for all the Ferrari bashing that’s going around. Just plain old jealousy and the sad fact for all the other teams is that no matter how much they try or how much money they have you just cannot buy history/passion & romance.
Jealousy is a cures which makes you time illogically and irrationally.
Just imagine for one minute if the tables were reversed & Ferrari had the McLaren Document & all the proven email/text chatter ?????????????
Oh sorry I just snapped out of it, what am I talking about it would be exactly the same as whats going on now. Jealous Ferrari bashing. How stupid of me.

They have so much and yet people don’t like them? .

That’s a big statement. Ferrari is the most loved & most hated team there is bar none. And the reason for this is exactly because of my first point.
Love = history/passion/romance/cars to die for & great characters.
Hate = Jealousy
If you ask a non F1 follower to name a F1 manufacturer the answer will be FERRARI. If you say what about McLaren ? They say, is that the name of a new McDonald Berger ???

That Montezemolo thinks it fit to deny Hamilton any glory for what can only be described as remarkable achievements in his rookie year, does nothing positive for Ferrari's image other than compound the prevailing body of opinion on this forum that Ferrari, and by association it's diehard fans, are in denial of some fundamental truths regarding the nature of ethical behaviour.

You mean ethical behaviour like:
Having an 780 page Ferrari document in your possession
Having a direct proven beyond a double Bat Phone to Ferrari setup, weight balance, braking systems, strategy, tire data etc etc etc etc etc going over many months.
Being proven guilty by the ruling motor sporting body.
Whining about the decision ever since & not backing it up by appealing. Back it up or shutup.

Let me see …… as racechick would say “What could it be? Erm,let me think.... its there in the corners of my mind... Nope its gone. No idea. Beats the hell out of meâ€

[Ruby]

If you ask a non F1 follower to name a F1 manufacturer the answer will be FERRARI. If you say what about McLaren ? They say, is that the name of a new McDonald Berger ???

I am neither a Ferrari or McLaren fan really, I support different drivers on the whole however just had to show my appreciation for this statement

In all fairness both teams are probably as bad as eachother (sorry to sit on the fence but), it's just McLaren on this occasion went too far and screwed up big time. I do agree with what was said earlier though by Stonemonkey "If that were true and I was Kimi, I'd be asking " where's the Ferrari in my car?"

That also made me laugh but how true!! I dunno...it's been an odd season. I'm looking forward to next year. I will say one thing though, Kimi for champion!

[britishtrident]

The thing that always amazes me is the red & black view that Ferrari fans have of the world, Ferrari has a history over many decades of stiring up trouble for other teams. Going back over the years in both F1 and sports cars they have enagaged in off track battles and underhand play with Lotus, Williams, Mclaren, Ford and Porsche.


Here is an example from a few years back

http://atlasf1.autosport.com/99/jpn/pre ... evine.html

Interestingly istr it was Ferrari who originated "Constructors" as a derogatory term for teams such as Lotus, Cooper and McLaren who unlike Ferrari didn't manufacture thier own engine.

[pit_babe]

Ferrari have history, they have romance, they have charisma, they produce beautiful cars,cars to die for! They have everything in place to be the perfect racing team. Characters like Enzo who loved and encouraged his drivers to race head to head on the track.

You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the reason ,the only reason I must add for all the Ferrari bashing that’s going around. Just plain old jealousy and the sad fact for all the other teams is that no matter how much they try or how much money they have you just cannot buy history/passion & romance.
Jealousy is a cures which makes you time illogically and irrationally.
Just imagine for one minute if the tables were reversed & Ferrari had the McLaren Document & all the proven email/text chatter ?????????????
Oh sorry I just snapped out of it, what am I talking about it would be exactly the same as whats going on now. Jealous Ferrari bashing. How stupid of me.

They have so much and yet people don’t like them? .

That’s a big statement. Ferrari is the most loved & most hated team there is bar none. And the reason for this is exactly because of my first point.
Love = history/passion/romance/cars to die for & great characters.
Hate = Jealousy
If you ask a non F1 follower to name a F1 manufacturer the answer will be FERRARI. If you say what about McLaren ? They say, is that the name of a new McDonald Berger ???

That Montezemolo thinks it fit to deny Hamilton any glory for what can only be described as remarkable achievements in his rookie year, does nothing positive for Ferrari's image other than compound the prevailing body of opinion on this forum that Ferrari, and by association it's diehard fans, are in denial of some fundamental truths regarding the nature of ethical behaviour.

You mean ethical behaviour like:
Having an 780 page Ferrari document in your possession
Having a direct proven beyond a double Bat Phone to Ferrari setup, weight balance, braking systems, strategy, tire data etc etc etc etc etc going over many months.
Being proven guilty by the ruling motor sporting body.
Whining about the decision ever since & not backing it up by appealing. Back it up or shutup.

Let me see …… as racechick would say “What could it be? Erm,let me think.... its there in the corners of my mind... Nope its gone. No idea. Beats the hell out of meâ€

[McLaren Fan]

You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the reason ,the only reason I must add for all the Ferrari bashing that’s going around. Just plain old jealousy and the sad fact for all the other teams is that no matter how much they try or how much money they have you just cannot buy history/passion & romance.
Jealousy is a cures which makes you time illogically and irrationally.
Just imagine for one minute if the tables were reversed & Ferrari had the McLaren Document & all the proven email/text chatter ?????????????
Oh sorry I just snapped out of it, what am I talking about it would be exactly the same as whats going on now. Jealous Ferrari bashing. How stupid of me. :

That's just it. Ferrari are OVERRATED. Let's face it, apart from being the oldest team in Formula One, what have they done? Teams such as Lotus have given far more to the sport than Ferrari ever have or ever will. Ferrari want to get over themselves. In fact, saying as they are the oldest, why don't they get lost. I'm sick of their constant bitching, complaining, jealousy, remarks, lies, conspiracies, being sore and bitter losers, and cheating.

You mean ethical behaviour like:
Having an 780 page Ferrari document in your possession
Having a direct proven beyond a double Bat Phone to Ferrari setup, weight balance, braking systems, strategy, tire data etc etc etc etc etc going over many months.
Being proven guilty by the ruling motor sporting body.
Whining about the decision ever since & not backing it up by appealing. Back it up or shutup.

That's been discussed on this forum and matters are certainly not as clear as you present them.

This being the case then Mr Montezemolo has a right to voice his opinion.

True, however, that's not an opinion. It is a cheap, political sound bite, designed to rabble rouse simpletons like yourself.

By the way I think the WCC is also tainted , but this is not tainted because of something Ferrari did.

The only world championship that is tainted is the contructors' cup after Ferrari conned their way to it with the help of their FIA mates, and not for the first time.

I would say enjoy your very hollow victory, but the mafia have no conscience.

[pit_babe]

You have hit the nail on the head. This is exactly the reason ,the only reason I must add for all the Ferrari bashing that’s going around. Just plain old jealousy and the sad fact for all the other teams is that no matter how much they try or how much money they have you just cannot buy history/passion & romance.
Jealousy is a cures which makes you time illogically and irrationally.
Just imagine for one minute if the tables were reversed & Ferrari had the McLaren Document & all the proven email/text chatter ?????????????
Oh sorry I just snapped out of it, what am I talking about it would be exactly the same as whats going on now. Jealous Ferrari bashing. How stupid of me. :

That's just it. Ferrari are OVERRATED. Let's face it, apart from being the oldest team in Formula One, what have they done? Let's face it. Teams such as Lotus have given far more to the sport that Ferrari ever have or ever will. Ferrari want to get over themselves. In fact, saying as they are the oldest, why don't they get lost. I'm sick of their constant bitching, complaining, jealousy, remarks, lies, conspiracies, being sore and bitter losers, and cheating.

You mean ethical behaviour like:
Having an 780 page Ferrari document in your possession
Having a direct proven beyond a double Bat Phone to Ferrari setup, weight balance, braking systems, strategy, tire data etc etc etc etc etc going over many months.
Being proven guilty by the ruling motor sporting body.
Whining about the decision ever since & not backing it up by appealing. Back it up or shutup.

That's been discussed on this forum and matters are certainly not as clear as you present them.

This being the case then Mr Montezemolo has a right to voice his opinion.

True, however, that's not an opinion. It is a cheap, political sound bite, designed to rabble rouse simpletons like yourself.

By the way I think the WCC is also tainted , but this is not tainted because of something Ferrari did.

The only world championship that is tainted is the contructors' cup after Ferrari conned their way to it with the help of their FIA mates, and not for the first time.

I would say enjoy your very hollow victory, but the mafia have no conscience.

very well said

[racechick]

Mikep99, you miss my point so I will spell it out. With all that ferrari have going for them they should be loved the world over. The reason they are not is because they win by whatever devious method they can. Their idea of fair play is to not get caught. Dont quote the spy scandal farce at me, you read my post about that.

[Lewisfan]

Ferrari, is a joke period McLaren haven't got anything belonging to them in there car. Ferrari, should thank mad-max for his help with contructors win.

[harryburgundy]

Following the logic of that ridiculous statement.....is he not admiting McClarens superiority....if you can win races in a car with just say 10% of Ferrari in it (allegedly, but personally I think its nonesense).....but not the full blown 100%!
Great season and if LH wins it will be totally deserved....enough of the bitching...recognise a brilliant opening season when you see one.
HB