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[darwin dali]

KERS in all cars would open up another tactical option for the drivers. If, e.g., you boost yourself out in defense or in response of a fake overtaking attack, eventually the car behind may be able to catch you with your KERS exhausted...

If a car's quick enough to stick to the car infront without using all its KERS, wouldn't it be quick enough to pass if both cars didn't have KERS in the first place?

That's not the point. It's about tactics/strategy that KERS adds to racing. If you're a master at KERS usage, you might get an advantage. It's even conceivable that somebody pressured pushes the KERS button in a less than desirable place and goes off - stranger things have happened.

[Hexagram]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

[darwin dali]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

The money is already spent on KERS - might as well use it now.

[JamesD89]

KERS in all cars would open up another tactical option for the drivers. If, e.g., you boost yourself out in defense or in response of a fake overtaking attack, eventually the car behind may be able to catch you with your KERS exhausted...

If a car's quick enough to stick to the car infront without using all its KERS, wouldn't it be quick enough to pass if both cars didn't have KERS in the first place?

That's not the point. It's about tactics/strategy that KERS adds to racing. If you're a master at KERS usage, you might get an advantage. It's even conceivable that somebody pressured pushes the KERS button in a less than desirable place and goes off - stranger things have happened.

Yeah that could be true, I'm all for driving skill having a larger impact. But how much skill is involved in knowing when to press the KERS button? There's no physical skill involved.

I'd rather the cars be more difficult to handle. I don't know if any driver aids are used nowadays, if not I'm sure there must be ways. Maybe people here have some ideas.

[Hexagram]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

The money is already spent on KERS - might as well use it now.

Not really, Renault's & BMW's suck they would need to throw alot more money at it to get it right. Ferrari & Mclaren's KERS systems are ok I guess. So that leaves 10 teams to develop their never before tested KERS systems?

[darwin dali]

KERS in all cars would open up another tactical option for the drivers. If, e.g., you boost yourself out in defense or in response of a fake overtaking attack, eventually the car behind may be able to catch you with your KERS exhausted...

If a car's quick enough to stick to the car infront without using all its KERS, wouldn't it be quick enough to pass if both cars didn't have KERS in the first place?

That's not the point. It's about tactics/strategy that KERS adds to racing. If you're a master at KERS usage, you might get an advantage. It's even conceivable that somebody pressured pushes the KERS button in a less than desirable place and goes off - stranger things have happened.

Yeah that could be true, I'm all for driving skill having a larger impact. But how much skill is involved in knowing when to press the KERS button? There's no physical skill involved.

I'd rather the cars be more difficult to handle. I don't know if any driver aids are used nowadays, if not I'm sure there must be ways. Maybe people here have some ideas.

Fighter jet pilots are very skilled at pressing buttons and using all kinds of aids (if not, they get sacked) - that's part of their mental fitness. They are also very physically fit as you'd imagine. There's no contradiction there.

[darwin dali]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

The money is already spent on KERS - might as well use it now.

Not really, Renault's & BMW's suck they would need to throw alot more money at it to get it right. Ferrari & Mclaren's KERS systems are ok I guess. So that leaves 10 teams to develop their never before tested KERS systems?

I'm sure engine manufacturers will be willing to share their KERS system for a good price - helps defray their costs for developing and saves money for the other teams.

[Hexagram]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

The money is already spent on KERS - might as well use it now.

Not really, Renault's & BMW's suck they would need to throw alot more money at it to get it right. Ferrari & Mclaren's KERS systems are ok I guess. So that leaves 10 teams to develop their never before tested KERS systems?

I'm sure engine manufacturers will be willing to share their KERS system for a good price - helps defray their costs for developing and saves money for the other teams.

Good point. Am I wrong though to think KERS also effects chassis design?

[Denthúl]

KERS added a little bit to this season since some people had/have it and others don't. Its debatable whether KERS on every car will actually add anything. Personally I think it would but with cost cutting being so paramount to the sport at the moment KERS was always going to be shelved.

The money is already spent on KERS - might as well use it now.

Not really, Renault's & BMW's suck they would need to throw alot more money at it to get it right. Ferrari & Mclaren's KERS systems are ok I guess. So that leaves 10 teams to develop their never before tested KERS systems?

I'm sure engine manufacturers will be willing to share their KERS system for a good price - helps defray their costs for developing and saves money for the other teams.

Good point. Am I wrong though to think KERS also effects chassis design?

You're not. Room needs to be made to accommodate the storage and charging units.

[Tony_sa]

I agree with McLaren Fan; it would be silly to ban it now that the technology has come to fruition as it has proven to be a race winner. The decision to ban KERS was taken when it appeared to be a redundant technology as all the KERS enabled teams were near the back of the grid because of car balance issues. I can't believe that Williams have agreed to abandon the system after spending more than a year developing the technology. Personally I want to see the flywheel KERS system in action!

I often wonder how the car will react when it changes direction with a heavy disc spining at high revs. also whether it would need to be mounted horizontal or vertical since a disc spinning at speed exerts a fairly heavy lateral force to whatever its attached to. I really dont see it woking as well as they might expect.
electrical kers makes sense... any takers?

If it's rotating around the vertical axis it won't be affected by change of direction, maybe slightly by pitch and roll but I wouldn't think there'd be much effect from that.

which brings me to my point. vertically the effect of sudden change could seriously affect steering ability especially if the may be a grip problem as well. i would really like to see they test it coz on paper it sucks.....

[JamesD89]

KERS in all cars would open up another tactical option for the drivers. If, e.g., you boost yourself out in defense or in response of a fake overtaking attack, eventually the car behind may be able to catch you with your KERS exhausted...

If a car's quick enough to stick to the car infront without using all its KERS, wouldn't it be quick enough to pass if both cars didn't have KERS in the first place?

That's not the point. It's about tactics/strategy that KERS adds to racing. If you're a master at KERS usage, you might get an advantage. It's even conceivable that somebody pressured pushes the KERS button in a less than desirable place and goes off - stranger things have happened.

Yeah that could be true, I'm all for driving skill having a larger impact. But how much skill is involved in knowing when to press the KERS button? There's no physical skill involved.

I'd rather the cars be more difficult to handle. I don't know if any driver aids are used nowadays, if not I'm sure there must be ways. Maybe people here have some ideas.

Fighter jet pilots are very skilled at pressing buttons and using all kinds of aids (if not, they get sacked) - that's part of their mental fitness. They are also very physically fit as you'd imagine. There's no contradiction there.

Fighter jets don't race, they don't go round corners, they don't overtake. It's a different skill used to achieve a completely different goal.

[Tony_sa]

does this mean that soon the drivers will be pressing a button and wings will deploy for 6.5 sec so that they can fly over the car ahead ?? maybe ???

[JamesD89]

does this mean that soon the drivers will be pressing a button and wings will deploy for 6.5 sec so that they can fly over the car ahead ?? maybe ???

Kool Elevation Racing System?

[Tony_sa]

does this mean that soon the drivers will be pressing a button and wings will deploy for 6.5 sec so that they can fly over the car ahead ?? maybe ???

Kool Elevation Racing System?

I guess that will mean they will need pilot licences as well - this could be big coz it will fit redbull very well ??

[darwin dali]

KERS in all cars would open up another tactical option for the drivers. If, e.g., you boost yourself out in defense or in response of a fake overtaking attack, eventually the car behind may be able to catch you with your KERS exhausted...

If a car's quick enough to stick to the car infront without using all its KERS, wouldn't it be quick enough to pass if both cars didn't have KERS in the first place?

That's not the point. It's about tactics/strategy that KERS adds to racing. If you're a master at KERS usage, you might get an advantage. It's even conceivable that somebody pressured pushes the KERS button in a less than desirable place and goes off - stranger things have happened.

Yeah that could be true, I'm all for driving skill having a larger impact. But how much skill is involved in knowing when to press the KERS button? There's no physical skill involved.

I'd rather the cars be more difficult to handle. I don't know if any driver aids are used nowadays, if not I'm sure there must be ways. Maybe people here have some ideas.

Fighter jet pilots are very skilled at pressing buttons and using all kinds of aids (if not, they get sacked) - that's part of their mental fitness. They are also very physically fit as you'd imagine. There's no contradiction there.

Fighter jets don't race, they don't go round corners, they don't overtake. It's a different skill used to achieve a completely different goal.

I didn't say that they race, but they actually do sometimes during dog fighting (or at least used to) and the winner's price was his life!
I was using that example to point out that pressing buttons to achieve one's goals and physical and mental fitness can go together (and in both examples have to).