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billindenver wrote:Fairly and equally. Certainly...we can treat him equal to one of the Hamilton bunnies. Fair enough?
/duckandcover
FerrariFan63 wrote:This whole affair does create an interesting precedent. The Renault team will be at least extremely damaged by this affair. And at worst, it might be utterly destroyed. It will then become more difficult for teams to cheat in the future, because the opportunity for drivers and other staff to blackmail the team, at least implicitly, is too great. Particularly with the FIA offering immunity around.Interesting theory, but you seem to be mixing too things FIA/F1 rules and criminal laws. Cheating/race fixing breaks FIA/F1 rules therefore under FIA's jurisdiction. Blackmailing breaks criminal laws (in most countries), and therefore FIA's immunity is worth absolutely nothing.
FerrariFan63 wrote:This whole affair does create an interesting precedent. The Renault team will be at least extremely damaged by this affair. And at worst, it might be utterly destroyed. It will then become more difficult for teams to cheat in the future, because the opportunity for drivers and other staff to blackmail the team, at least implicitly, is too great. Particularly with the FIA offering immunity around.Well Renault hasn't really been destroyed. The current signs suggest that they are willing to continue in the championship. Yes their reputation has taken a massive knock, but they'll "survive" that if they wish to.
EwmanM wrote:i can see them letting alonso going to ferrari, getting a driver and starting fresh, new livery, new management.FerrariFan63 wrote:This whole affair does create an interesting precedent. The Renault team will be at least extremely damaged by this affair. And at worst, it might be utterly destroyed. It will then become more difficult for teams to cheat in the future, because the opportunity for drivers and other staff to blackmail the team, at least implicitly, is too great. Particularly with the FIA offering immunity around.Well Renault hasn't really been destroyed. The current signs suggest that they are willing to continue in the championship. Yes their reputation has taken a massive knock, but they'll "survive" that if they wish to.
vaptin wrote:heres the opinion from the man that matters: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 259096.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Fecking Kers.
you might remember that of course, we're talking about the same team here that decided to run kers in spa - now that is absolutely unacceptable, and I would never even have contemplated that in my time at jordan.
In my day I was too poor to ask drivers to crash, we didn't have insurance at Jordan Grand Prix, all we had was a star screw driver and a little halogen heater.
EwmanM wrote:In my day I was too poor to ask drivers to crash, we didn't have insurance at Jordan Grand Prix, all we had was a star screw driver and a little halogen heater.
SingaporeSling wrote: Interesting theory, but you seem to be mixing too things FIA/F1 rules and criminal laws. Cheating/race fixing breaks FIA/F1 rules therefore under FIA's jurisdiction. Blackmailing breaks criminal laws (in most countries), and therefore FIA's immunity is worth absolutely nothing.No, I wasn't confusing things. Clearly blackmail is a crime, but I wasn't thinking the FIA was offering immunity against that. A crime is technically a crime, but can only be prosecuted if there is evidence. As I mentioned in my previous post, talking of "implicit" blackmail, the drivers may not say anything sufficiently explicit to warrant a charge of blackmail. But a team that knows that a driver "knows too much" may be in a very weak position concerning various negotiations, terminations, etc. Even if nothing is said, or only if very subtle allusions are made.
EwmanM wrote: Well Renault hasn't really been destroyed. The current signs suggest that they are willing to continue in the championship. Yes their reputation has taken a massive knock, but they'll "survive" that if they wish to.The litmus test will be whether or not the team are still racing come the start of 2010. Of course, it could be that they drop out for other reasons. But if they're not around, then I think it likely that crashgate would be a large part of it.
McLaren Fan wrote:Just when you think Formula One cannot get into any more trouble, it does. Not only has one of the biggest teams fixed a race, the FIA were aware that season that there might have been foul play, but did nothing about it. At best, this is negligence and red tape of gargantuan proportions. At worst, as with anything at the FIA, there could have been a political motivation. Briatore has been another thorn in the side of the FIA, to Mosley in particular this season, so it's no wonder he is being targeted now.
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