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EwmanM wrote:Must be a Scottish thing.stonemonkey wrote:No, I was, nevermind, I'm sure han and alex'll get it.I know that feeling.
Sometimes I really do feel like I'm from another planet.
racechick wrote:Cant say Im surprised at this news. Disappointed Pat was involved. Cant believe Alonso knew nothing of this either! Interesting that he's the figure that's been involved in both recent scandals. Wasnt he the one with the emails on his laptop? He certainly knew what was going on there. Spose he'll get away with it though.Well, I don't think this was about getting Alonso the win, but rather securing the team's place in the sport. Renault were considering a departure after what would be two win-less seasons, sponsors were more than likely getting frustrated and the team needed a win. Could you imagine them asking Alonso to crash so that Piquet would win? No, it would have to be the other way round in order for it to work. Piquet would most likely mess it up and spin out in the lead anyway.
scotty wrote:I agree, you friggin glory hunters.Longbow wrote:Yes yes but we are suggesting he follow McLaren since they are better than Toyota.That's just glory supporting though!
stonemonkey wrote:Aye, so when was the last time you kilted-it-up stonemonkey?EwmanM wrote:Must be a Scottish thing.stonemonkey wrote:No, I was, nevermind, I'm sure han and alex'll get it.I know that feeling.
Sometimes I really do feel like I'm from another planet.
Longbow wrote:Thanks!Hanwombat wrote:No one wants to be on it tho.EwmanM wrote:Hanwombat wrote:^Blasphemy!
sadly.....kerc wrote:I think about the 700 employees that work for Team Renault. To lose your job because a few rats plotted and acted on a dirty plan...Yup that is the biggest shame. I touch on that in the podcast. *Cough*
You want it, I want it, heck everybody wants it
well apart from Robert and JulietP
Juliet P wrote:I ment that in the nicest possible wayLongbow wrote:Thanks!Hanwombat wrote:No one wants to be on it tho.EwmanM wrote:Hanwombat wrote:^Blasphemy!
sadly.....kerc wrote:I think about the 700 employees that work for Team Renault. To lose your job because a few rats plotted and acted on a dirty plan...Yup that is the biggest shame. I touch on that in the podcast. *Cough*
You want it, I want it, heck everybody wants it
well apart from Robert and JulietP
racechick wrote:Both weasels!So wrong, Bernie is an innocent man!
Leaked transcripts put Alonso in the clear on Singapore crash plot
By James Allen
It got lost in the wake of Renault’s announcement today, but according to further leaked material from the prosecution’s dossier into the events surrounding Nelson Piquet’s accident in Singapore last year, the FIA believes that Fernando Alonso knew nothing of the alleged conspiracy.
Alonso won the race thanks to a safety car triggered by Nelson Piquet’s accident, which he alleges was a conspiracy involving senior Renault management.
In summing up a lengthy document detailing the interview and investigations carried out by stewards at the recent Belgian Grand Prix, assisted by the FIA’s Herbie Blash, Lars Osterlind says,
“As regards Mr Alonso and the other engineers, the Stewards have found no evidence to suggest that they knew anything about the plans to cause a deliberate crash on lap 14. Renault’s strategy was aggressive and somewhat unusual but the Stewards do not conclude that individuals at Renault other than NPJ (Piquet), Mr Symonds and possibly Mr Briatore were aware of any crash plan. This position appears to be supported by the documentairy and radio communications evidence provided by Renault.”
Earlier in the document, details of the stewards’ meeting with Alonso are given.
“Mr Alonso was interviewed first. He stated that he knew nothing of any meetings in the lead-up to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix attended by Mr Briatore, Mr Symonds and NPJ and knew nothing of the alleged plan to cause a deliberate crash.”
Alonso also said that he left strategy decisions to his engineers and that running a short first stint from outside the top ten was merely an attempt to do something different from the cars around him, which is consistent with Pat Symonds’ attitude to race strategy as he’s articulated it to me in the past.
Interestingly, the Stewards’ seemed to come to the conclusion that Pat Symonds was the key to all of this and central to any notion of a plan to crash delberately.
They felt that the combination of his acceptance that a meeting took place at which a crash was discussed, together with his refusal to answer questions, “have led the Stewards to consider it reasonable to conclude that the allegations made by NPJ are in large part, true.”
However, interestingly, they concluded that it is not possible to determine whether Flavio Briatore knew about the plan. He flatly denied it.
Osterlind says, “The Stewards do not consider that they are in a position to draw any definitive conclusion regarding Mr Briatore’s knowledge of involvement.”
It’s all academic now; Both Briatore and Symonds left the Renault team today. On Monday the team will find out what sanction it faces. In my view had they fought this and been found guilty they would have been thrown out of F1.
EwmanM wrote:If he wasnt in on the planning, Alonso Must have questioned that crash! Everybody else did!Maybe he decided to just shut up ask no questions and take the win. He's proven before that he's not averse to accepting a little help when all else fails.racechick wrote:Both weasels!So wrong, Bernie is an innocent man!
ALSO IT IS TIME TO DISPEL ANY THOUGHTS THAT ALONSO WAS INVOLVED IN CRASH-GATELeaked transcripts put Alonso in the clear on Singapore crash plot
By James Allen
It got lost in the wake of Renault’s announcement today, but according to further leaked material from the prosecution’s dossier into the events surrounding Nelson Piquet’s accident in Singapore last year, the FIA believes that Fernando Alonso knew nothing of the alleged conspiracy.
Alonso won the race thanks to a safety car triggered by Nelson Piquet’s accident, which he alleges was a conspiracy involving senior Renault management.
In summing up a lengthy document detailing the interview and investigations carried out by stewards at the recent Belgian Grand Prix, assisted by the FIA’s Herbie Blash, Lars Osterlind says,
“As regards Mr Alonso and the other engineers, the Stewards have found no evidence to suggest that they knew anything about the plans to cause a deliberate crash on lap 14. Renault’s strategy was aggressive and somewhat unusual but the Stewards do not conclude that individuals at Renault other than NPJ (Piquet), Mr Symonds and possibly Mr Briatore were aware of any crash plan. This position appears to be supported by the documentairy and radio communications evidence provided by Renault.”
Earlier in the document, details of the stewards’ meeting with Alonso are given.
“Mr Alonso was interviewed first. He stated that he knew nothing of any meetings in the lead-up to the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix attended by Mr Briatore, Mr Symonds and NPJ and knew nothing of the alleged plan to cause a deliberate crash.”
Alonso also said that he left strategy decisions to his engineers and that running a short first stint from outside the top ten was merely an attempt to do something different from the cars around him, which is consistent with Pat Symonds’ attitude to race strategy as he’s articulated it to me in the past.
Interestingly, the Stewards’ seemed to come to the conclusion that Pat Symonds was the key to all of this and central to any notion of a plan to crash delberately.
They felt that the combination of his acceptance that a meeting took place at which a crash was discussed, together with his refusal to answer questions, “have led the Stewards to consider it reasonable to conclude that the allegations made by NPJ are in large part, true.”
However, interestingly, they concluded that it is not possible to determine whether Flavio Briatore knew about the plan. He flatly denied it.
Osterlind says, “The Stewards do not consider that they are in a position to draw any definitive conclusion regarding Mr Briatore’s knowledge of involvement.”
It’s all academic now; Both Briatore and Symonds left the Renault team today. On Monday the team will find out what sanction it faces. In my view had they fought this and been found guilty they would have been thrown out of F1.
EwmanM wrote:Anyways...
An innocent man and a guilty man. Which one is which?
Easy question if you ask me.
racechick wrote:Piquets been given immunity hasnt he?Oh yeah he is. So he's going to get off scot-free, having instigated this entire farce in the first place!
racechick wrote:If he wasnt in on the planning, Alonso Must have questioned that crash! Everybody else did!Maybe he decided to just shut up ask no questions and take the win. He's proven before that he's not averse to accepting a little help when all else fails.Well, Piquet crashing in an F1 race isn't exactly rare and neither is a driver getting lucky with the safety car... dunno what you are really getting at with that last sentence though, he may be a whinging baby at times, be he's not a cheat in the same vein as other drivers we've seen over the years.
SingaporeSling wrote:Back in my home country there's a saying that "Nobody is innocent" referring to the old biblical interpretation that we're all sinners in god's eyes.Yet another example of how dumb the bible is.
scotty wrote:racechick wrote:Piquets been given immunity hasnt he?Oh yeah he is. So he's going to get off scot-free, having instigated this entire farce in the first place!racechick wrote:If he wasnt in on the planning, Alonso Must have questioned that crash! Everybody else did!Maybe he decided to just shut up ask no questions and take the win. He's proven before that he's not averse to accepting a little help when all else fails.Well, Piquet crashing in an F1 race isn't exactly rare and neither is a driver getting lucky with the safety car... dunno what you are really getting at with that last sentence though, he may be a whinging baby at times, be he's not a cheat in the same vein as other drivers we've seen over the years.SingaporeSling wrote:Back in my home country there's a saying that "Nobody is innocent" referring to the old biblical interpretation that we're all sinners in god's eyes.Yet another example of how dumb the bible is.
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