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irons_4_ever wrote:sad sad day for the sport probs its darkest sense i have been an f1 fanHow long have you been a fan? :-\
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irons_4_ever wrote:sad sad day for the sport probs its darkest sense i have been an f1 fanHow long have you been a fan? :-\
Denthúl wrote:No the championship or the race result will not be changed.
They can't change the championship result, Hamilton will remain champion. However, if Massa hadn't dashed in to the pits when the safety car came out, he looked set to win that race. So that would've been an extra ten points, but it's impossible to say what would have happened because without the safety car the positions would have been totally different. To me, it would just mean that the result of the 2008 championship was questionable, which is unfortunate really but there is nothing that could be done about it short of discounting all scores from the Singapore grand prix, which would not be a good solution at all (and it would change the result of the championship - Lewis would end up losing the title by five points).
Selcouth_Feline wrote:I do not believe that Alonso's 2010 seat is secure at Ferrari. A sabbatical will surely be in order if Renault decide to leave.ivey wrote:If Renault departs, wtf is Alonso going to do next year?Drive for Ferrari?
I'm shocked at this news. I'm also astounded that Piquet would actually crash deliberately - he must have some serious faith in the safety of his car
Stephen wrote:Words fail me - I wonder if large betting sums were also involved...Well as far as I can see Alonso is not part of the investigation. Even judging by the Radio transcript that Denthul posted, I think that he had no part to play in the fix.
A dark day indeed for F1. I'm absolutely amazed such individuals could risk the life/career of their driver, other drivers and fans at the side of the track. It is unbelievable.
I just hope, when all the dust settles, that we don't find Fernando Alonso directly involved in these events - he remains a driver I have a great deal of admiration and respect for.
irons_4_ever wrote:It'd be interesting to see the full result of that race minus Alonso, would Massa have gotten more points and won the championship had this not happened.Impossible to say, since the safety car and Massa's pit lane incident changed things completely. He would have come out of the pit lane still in first place most likely, but there's no way you can say that with certainty. Similarly, there's no saying where Hamilton would have ended up.
Hexagram wrote:If Renault don't get kicked out of the sport which I believe will be the fine, how much would it cost them to pull out of the concord agreement?Nothing. The Concorde agreement has been broken countless times in the past with teams leaving the sport.
Hexagram wrote:If Renault don't get kicked out of the sport which I believe will be the fine, how much would it cost them to pull out of the concord agreement?Probably a lot if there's actually a clause in there regarding that. However, I think they would attempt to sell the team, in which case they wouldn't have to break the agreement.
Denthul wrote: To me, it would just mean that the result of the 2008 championship was questionable, .IT was for me since Spa and Hams numerous penalties so it all worked out really!
EwmanM wrote:I said something along the lines of this yesterday:Symonds could always take the immunity, if he hasn't already.
"The FIA must know something that we don't when they have given BMW Sauber the 14th team slot."
Plus the fact that BMW pushed ahead with the sale and issued a statement claiming that they were confident of the team being on the grid for next season.
Therefore I can only suspect that Renault's decision had been made in advance and that the FIA and the other teams all knew about it.
It would also point to Renault's exit from the sport.
I wonder what sort of bans the FIA will issue to Briatore and Symonds. How will they compare to say the ones given to those involved in Spy-gate?
Denthúl wrote:yeah he would be valuable to a team regardless of his role hereEwmanM wrote:I said something along the lines of this yesterday:Symonds could always take the immunity, if he hasn't already.
"The FIA must know something that we don't when they have given BMW Sauber the 14th team slot."
Plus the fact that BMW pushed ahead with the sale and issued a statement claiming that they were confident of the team being on the grid for next season.
Therefore I can only suspect that Renault's decision had been made in advance and that the FIA and the other teams all knew about it.
It would also point to Renault's exit from the sport.
I wonder what sort of bans the FIA will issue to Briatore and Symonds. How will they compare to say the ones given to those involved in Spy-gate?
bud wrote:That's true, but would a team be willing to take the risk? Having had no history of cheating, this is very out-of-character for Symonds, so I personally would give him a second chance. However, if we look back over the years, Briatore has been involved in numerous things. Still, none of it is up to me.Denthúl wrote:yeah he would be valuable to a team regardless of his role hereEwmanM wrote:I said something along the lines of this yesterday:Symonds could always take the immunity, if he hasn't already.
"The FIA must know something that we don't when they have given BMW Sauber the 14th team slot."
Plus the fact that BMW pushed ahead with the sale and issued a statement claiming that they were confident of the team being on the grid for next season.
Therefore I can only suspect that Renault's decision had been made in advance and that the FIA and the other teams all knew about it.
It would also point to Renault's exit from the sport.
I wonder what sort of bans the FIA will issue to Briatore and Symonds. How will they compare to say the ones given to those involved in Spy-gate?
bud wrote:I think teams would be willing, isnt Manor picking up Coughlan after his spying charges ?Really? Didn't know that.
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