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#153636
Briatore and Symonds leave Renault
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78668
By Matt Beer Wednesday, September 16th 2009, 11:10 GMT

Renault has announced that team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering chief Pat Symonds have parted company with the team and that it will "not dispute" the allegations of race-fixing when it appears before the World Motor Sport Council next week.

The team had been accused of asking driver Nelson Piquet to crash deliberately during last year's Singapore Grand Prix in order to cause a safety car period that would work to his team-mate Fernando Alonso's advantage. The Spaniard went on to win the race.

"The ING Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix," said a statement from the team.

"It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team.

"Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 21 September 2009, the team will not make any further comment."

Shortly before losing his drive with Renault, Piquet approached the FIA with the allegation that Briatore and Symonds had asked him to cause a deliberate accident that would bring out the safety car in Singapore, and that his heavy crash on lap 14 of the race had therefore been pre-planned.

Alonso - who had been a contender for pole until a qualifying fuel pump failure left him only 15th on the grid - had made a very early pitstop just before the caution caused by Piquet's crash and duly vaulted to the front of the field, from where he delivered Renault's first victory of a difficult season.

FIA investigators quizzed Briatore, Symonds and other team members over the incident during the Belgian GP weekend, and subsequently announced that the team would face a World Motor Sport Council hearing in Paris on 21 September.

Evidence, including Piquet's statement, telemetry details and radio transmissions, was leaked to the media during last weekend's Monza event, which also saw Renault announce that it would take legal action against Piquet and his triple world champion father Nelson, accusing both of blackmail.

The saga then took another twist when it emerged that the FIA had offered Symonds immunity at the hearing in exchange for full disclosure of the facts surrounding the Singapore incident.

As the Renault team - rather than Briatore and Symonds themselves - has been charged over the allegations, today's announcement by the team is unlikely to have any bearing on next week's hearing.


Well this is a dark day for Formula One and could well signal the end of Renault's involvement with the sport.

It would also signal that Symonds, Briatore and Piquets attempted to fix and race. Disgusting conduct.

It is hard to say now how the WSMC will act, whether they will merely fine Renault as a result of the French Manufacturer's actions or continue with a ban.

Time will tell.

However with the exit of Symonds and Briatore - mainstays of the team for many years, it would be hard to suggest who would fill those roles.

Renault will lack serious guidance if they decide to continue, the whole operation and reputation is now tarnished.
By SimonB
#153637
Renault have issued the following press release on Wednesday:

The ING Renault F1 Team will not dispute the recent allegations made by the FIA concerning the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix.

It also wishes to state that its managing director, Flavio Briatore and its executive director of engineering, Pat Symonds, have left the team.

Before attending the hearing before the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on 21 September 2009, the team will not make any further comment.

:eek:
#153640
And yet there is nothing to be taken from this. :confused:

British newspaper The Times has published the full transcript of the Renault F1 pit-to-car radio communication in the lead-up to and aftermath of Nelsinho Piquet’s controversial accident in last year’s Singapore Grand Prix. It makes for interesting reading...

Pat Symonds: “I can tell you now we are not three-stopping.”

Symonds: “Don’t worry about fuel, because I’m going to get him (Fernando Alonso) out of this traffic earlier than that.”

Piquet: “What lap are we in? What lap are we in?”

Renault engineer: “He just asked ‘what lap are we in?’”

Symonds: “Yeah, tell him that he’s about to complete lap eight.”

Symonds: “No, just tell him, he is about, he’s just completing, he’s about to complete lap eight.”

Symonds: “Right, I’m going to...I think we’re going to stop him just before we catch him (Williams driver Kazuki Nakajima, who was ahead of Alonso) and get him out of it, the reason being we’ve still got this worry on the fuel pump. It’s only a couple of laps short. We’re going to be stopping him early and we’re going to go to lap 40.”

Symonds to engineer following Alonso’s pit-stop: “Okay right, you’ve got to push him really bloody hard now. If he (Piquet) doesn’t get past [Rubens] Barrichello, he’s going nowhere – he’s got to get past Barrichello this lap.”

Flavio Briatore: “Tell him, push.”

Piquet’s race engineer: “Nelson, no excuses now, you’ve got to get past Barrichello. You’ve got four clicks straight-line advantage. Come on, you’ve got to push now, you must get past him.”

The Brazilian comes into heavy contact with the turn 17 wall a few minutes later.

Multiple voices at the same time: “Nelson’s off. F***ing hell. Nelson’s had a crash. I would say that would be a red flag. It’s huge.”

Piquet: “Sorry guys. I had a little outing.”

Engineer: “Is he alright? Is he alright?”

Symonds: “Ask him if he’s alright.”

Engineer: “Are you okay? Are you okay?”

Engineer: “Fernando’s just gone past it.”

Engineer: “Okay, yellow flag.”

Piquet: “Yeah, I hit my head in the back. I think I’m okay.”

Engineer: “Okay, understood.”

Symonds: “Right (inaudible), stop him.”

Engineer: “Safety car, safety car, safety car, safety car. Fernando, safety car, mixture three.”

Symonds: “Tell him to be careful, turn 17 I think it is.”

Engineer: “F***ing hell that was a big shunt.”

Briatore: “F***ing hell...my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.”

Symonds: “What position is Fernando in?”

Engineer: “Well, we were 20, and we’re first guy to pick the safety car up.”

Symonds: “Yeah, we’re not...”

Engineer: “He will get away past it, but he’s got to wait.”

Briatore: “What position we are now in all this?”

Symonds: “To be honest, I don’t know Flavio. It’s got to have been good for Fernando, but I honestly don’t know where he is.”
#153641
jesus christ, i'm just sorry to piquet. who i assumed was bullshitting.


He still carried out the crash, he is just as guilty.

but he was pressured into it, let's be honest it is better for him personally that it comes out that he was made to do it. instead of everyone thinking that he is a fantasist that couldn't face being sacked.
#153642
jesus christ, i'm just sorry to piquet. who i assumed was bullshitting.


He still carried out the crash, he is just as guilty.

but he was pressured into it, let's be honest it is better for him personally that it comes out that he was made to do it. instead of everyone thinking that he is a fantasist that couldn't face being sacked.


How? He still did it... You could be pressured in to killing someone, but you would still be guilty.

Surely this would be the end for Renault? I can't see how they would want to carry on with this black mark against their name. I also can't see how the FIA could not ban them for the season at least. This could quite likely pave the way for Sauber's entry.

To be honest, I'm not disappointed in Briatore, nor the Piquets. They're quite low anyway. But Pat Symonds? Really?:(
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#153644
Can't say i'm surprised to be honest.Briatore is as dodgy as they come.No doubt most of this was down to him.It's a black day for f1 though.

Can't see them getting out of this one like they did spygate.

Could well be the end of renault in f1.Hopefully the blame will be on the two heads that rolled and they can continue ?
#153647
i'm worried for alonso now, if he knew and the FIA might want to look into if he did or not then he could also be charged for bringing the sport into disrepute by not notifiying the FIA about it.

Hopfully tho since they have kicked out Symonds and Briatore they will just get DSQ'ed from last year and perhaps DIQ'ed from this year.

Hope Richards gets the Job now though, shame about Pat i don't care about Briatore.
#153649
i'm worried for alonso now, if he knew and the FIA might want to look into if he did or not then he could also be charged for bringing the sport into disrepute by not notifiying the FIA about it.

Hopfully tho since they have kicked out Symonds and Briatore they will just get DSQ'ed from last year and perhaps DIQ'ed from this year.

Hope Richards gets the Job now though, shame about Pat i don't care about Briatore.


Yeah, but the fact that Alonso hasn't been mentioned along with Piquet, Briatore and Symonds is seeming to indicate that he had no idea.

Of course, this does bring about another question: how did this race affect the 2008 championship?
#153650
So let me get it straight for myself. They kick Piquet, he starts yacking about last year's Singapour race and the stewards look into it, eventually this happens?

If Renault departs, wtf is Alonso going to do next year?
#153651
i'm worried for alonso now, if he knew and the FIA might want to look into if he did or not then he could also be charged for bringing the sport into disrepute by not notifiying the FIA about it.

Hopfully tho since they have kicked out Symonds and Briatore they will just get DSQ'ed from last year and perhaps DIQ'ed from this year.

Hope Richards gets the Job now though, shame about Pat i don't care about Briatore.


Yeah, but the fact that Alonso hasn't been mentioned along with Piquet, Briatore and Symonds is seeming to indicate that he had no idea.

Of course, this does bring about another question: how did this race affect the 2008 championship?


:eek: if they change it and Massa ends up becoming the winner i will find and kill max mosely. :banghead:

need to check this..
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