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[EwanM]

point is when ever lewis makes a mistake he gets drilled more than most. nothing he does is ever good enough its just tiring hearing the same people say the same thing. You race dont you? if you were gaining on the car infront wouldnt you push that extra bit just for the possiblity how ever small to have a shot at passing? I know i would, theres the difference to your last comment. I am a mere fan who am i to judge a world champion or any F1 driver for that matter. I know if i were in his shoes having these arm chair people like you bag me all the time would be pretty funny i mean who the hell are you anyway in the big picture?

Interesting I am also tiring of this little sphere.

I'll admit that although alot of criticism is deflected Hamilton's way by a number of fans, not least myself in the past, nobody on this board is innocent of such a practice.

I mean everyone was ripping Luca Badoer and you yourself bud have made some tounge-in-cheek comments about Fernando Alonso in the past - merely an example, I'm not wanting to kick off Forumula1 War 120 and a half.

Most of us aren't really involved in Formula One, so I suppose our opinions count for nothing in the larger scale.

Mind you it is still one hell of a sport to talk about.

[Gaz]

thought you were a racer bill or is your hate of lewis greater than your love of racing? its getting very tiring hearing the same old people talk the same old s***!

I am a racer thanks, and as such I know that while in third with one lap to go, you are not competing for the win, despite his assertions otherwise. Crashing out of an F1 race where you are a shoe in for the podium is not doing your team any favors either. Points in F1 are income....replacing a thrashed car is expense. There is a pretty large difference between that income figure and the expense figure and all teams need money...even McLaren.

It's funny how you are tired of hearing the same old people talk the same old s*** and yet your line hasn't changed one bit either. He is still the best on the grid in your mind, which is cool with me, we are all entitled to our opinions (unless the differ from yours eh?)...just don't expect me to agree with you. I was impressed with the interview after his team screwed him and I said as much...this one though, is a fall back to his old ways of talking himself up more than he deserves. He crashed out of third place....and he thinks he deserves some praise for it? Nah. As far as the same old s*** comment goes...I praised him when he did well in the interview which shows I can reverse my position....yet, when...have you EVER said he is less than perfect? Which of us is sticking to the same old s*** mate?

Cheers on the crash though, I did give me a good chuckle.

Honstly didn't expect that from you Bill being a racing driver.

Surely you must realise if you put pressure on somone infront of you. You force them into making a mistake, Button could of made that slipup on the last lap and Lewis would of taken 2nd. (and become rubens new best mate )

Or With Button Closing on rubens to get away from Lewis Rubens could of crashed causing JB to slow down to avoid him and Lewis takes him.

or they both could of made mistakes.

You don't know it racing its unpredictble.

He didn't give up and that is commendable, and it was also really exciting to watch.

I don't think he's asking for praise anyway mate since the first words out of his mouth was "i'm sorry to the team and my fans"

How is that in anyway arrogant?

Or am i missing somthing?

[billindenver]

Bud and I are just enjoying our typical two-setep. Its all in fun, and goes on a few times a year....nothing serious meant by it. He has given Hammy a love induced hug in person while I wouldn't cross the street to say hello to the guy so there is naturally a bit of volleying back and forth between us. Racing incidents like this one are a result of a driver pushing too hard, but the margin between too hard and not hard enough is small enough at GT speeds, I'm sure it is practically indistinguishable at F1 speeds. While it is fun to tweak buds nipples a bit when his hero makes a gaff like this one, it isn't meant to be done in an insulting way....just track guys talking track guy s***. It's done in the pits every weekend and is taken, most of the time, as good natured ribbing....even when it's based (somewhat loosely) in fact. Hammy does seem to make rather large mistakes fairly often, but as I've said in the past...this will likely temper with age. I was serious though when I said he really needs a decent manager.

[stonemonkey]

If Lewis could've forced an error from Button there was the possibility of Lewis still being in the title fight,albeit with the slimmest of chances but still in it none the less.Settling for third place would put him out of that.

[emma]

If Lewis could've forced an error from Button there was the possibility of Lewis still being in the title fight,albeit with the slimmest of chances but still in it none the less.Settling for third place would put him out of that.

But how often have you seen Button make a mistake? Was it really worth risking third place on the off chance that Button would mess up on the last lap? I guess it was, simply because Lewis isn't realisticly in the running for WDC, but the team could have done with the constructors' points.

EDIT: Just thought I'd add, before anyone starts accusing me of bashing Lewis simpl because he's Lewis, that I would have said the same of any driver trying to push a mistake from Button. Nor am I biased towards Button - I'm not bothered one way or another if he wins the WDC.
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[stonemonkey]

If Lewis could've forced an error from Button there was the possibility of Lewis still being in the title fight,albeit with the slimmest of chances but still in it none the less.Settling for third place would put him out of that.

But how often have you seen Button make a mistake? Was it really worth risking third place on the off chance that Button would mess up on the last lap? I guess it was, simply because Lewis isn't realisticly in the running for WDC, but the team could have done with the constructors' points.

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

[emma]

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

But surely he understands that he can't ALWAYS be winning. I know that winning is all any of the drivers want to do, but I think they also realise that, in reality, they can't win all the time. It's only his third season! He's got a lot of time in front of him to be WDC again
I would think that some points are better than no points, especially when you know your team is trying to catch Ferrari up in the WCC.

[EwanM]

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

But surely he understands that he can't ALWAYS be winning. I know that winning is all any of the drivers want to do, but I think they also realise that, in reality, they can't win all the time. It's only his third season! He's got a lot of time in front of him to be WDC again
I would think that some points are better than no points, especially when you know your team is trying to catch Ferrari up in the WCC.

... and it has really been Lewis V Kimi for most of the year. I mean Giancarlo will hopefully get up to speed soon and then McLaren will have no hope...

[stonemonkey]

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

But surely he understands that he can't ALWAYS be winning. I know that winning is all any of the drivers want to do, but I think they also realise that, in reality, they can't win all the time. It's only his third season! He's got a lot of time in front of him to be WDC again
I would think that some points are better than no points, especially when you know your team is trying to catch Ferrari up in the WCC.

Take my question and apply it to Schumacher, I admit it's a bit less likely he would've stuck it in the wall though.

[Gaz]

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

But surely he understands that he can't ALWAYS be winning. I know that winning is all any of the drivers want to do, but I think they also realise that, in reality, they can't win all the time. It's only his third season! He's got a lot of time in front of him to be WDC again
I would think that some points are better than no points, especially when you know your team is trying to catch Ferrari up in the WCC.

Take my question and apply it to Schumacher, I admit it's a bit less likely he would've stuck it in the wall though.

Nah he would of buried it in the wall

Schui doesn't do thinks by half measures.

[EwanM]

As I said, the slimmest of chances but who knows what's gonna happen in the last four races? What you gonna do, sit back and take 3rd knowing the next race is gonna be your first race start in F1 where it's mathematically impossible to take the title or take a chance and throw everything you got at it?

But surely he understands that he can't ALWAYS be winning. I know that winning is all any of the drivers want to do, but I think they also realise that, in reality, they can't win all the time. It's only his third season! He's got a lot of time in front of him to be WDC again
I would think that some points are better than no points, especially when you know your team is trying to catch Ferrari up in the WCC.

Take my question and apply it to Schumacher, I admit it's a bit less likely he would've stuck it in the wall though.

If it was Schmi then Rubens wouldn't have won

"Slow down Rubens. Think of the championship!"

[stonemonkey]

I still stand by my view, it was an all or nothing attitude and not giving up. I think he'll have a slightly different attitude in the remaining races although still have a point to prove.

EDIT: For the first time he'll be able to push the otherguys around a bit.

[EwanM]

I still stand by my view, it was an all or nothing attitude and not giving up. I think he'll have a slightly different attitude in the remaining races although still have a point to prove.

EDIT: For the first time he'll be able to push the otherguys around a bit.

It depends how competitive McLaren will be in the remaining races.

Mind you I heard Pat Fry say that they were introducing a number of new pieces for Singapore and beyond. So we'll see.

[scotty]

Mind you I heard Pat Fry say that they were introducing a number of new pieces for Singapore and beyond. So we'll see.

No change there then, still spending their way out of trouble...

[Gaz]

Mind you I heard Pat Fry tell us (in the phone-in) that they were introducing a number of new pieces for Singapore and beyond. So we'll see.

No change there then, still spending their way out of trouble...

What like Honda did in 2008 by Building 3 prototype's and going with the best option, no wonder they pulled out.

Ross Brawn rinsed them dry