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[Bigdog11]

How can anyone of Allonso's stature drop his emplyers in the s***.

This whole episode is Ferrari cheating again. They cant beat Maclaren on the track (current points prove this) so they set up the whole Stepney framing.

[racechick]

How can anyone of Allonso's stature drop his emplyers in the s***.

This whole episode is Ferrari cheating again. They cant beat Maclaren on the track (current points prove this) so they set up the whole Stepney framing.

Ferrari have cheated time and again. They dont care how they win and are supported by FIA. Alonso would do well there, the ideal driver for them!

[aboldero]

Would MS be a champ if Ferrari failed to have best car on the track? It actually did take MS, what? 5 years in Ferrari before his first title. And you can't say that at that dark times Ferrari was small team with even smaller budget.

At the end of a day, almost any driver can be really good with gained experience over the years - but what put one among the best is not just his tehnique but his resolve, his killer instincts; he needs to be blood-thirsdy for every point, every victory. And ready to slain his opponents in every possible way.

Because of that same qualities that make champ material also produce SOB kind of guy. Let's face it, much as I don't like FA's human side right now... I never liked MS's as well. Nor did I find Prost, Senna... human qualities appealing.

Would MS be champ without best car??? lest see...
94 and 95 at benetton.. certainly not best car either year..
98 at Ferrari, was in contention... not best car
99 at Ferrari, was in running, until accident put him out for 4 races... not best car..

Ok, MS seemed a bit bloodthirsty (oz 94, Jerez 97), but in 94, Hill said himself he should have waited, and MS turned in at the same point he did every lap.. Jerez 97, ok, not good, but nothing that hasn't been done before.. ie. Senna Japan 89 & 90... but everyone loved Senna for his Win At All Costs approach..

The Difference between MS and FA, i that although MS could be a bit nasty on track at times, he was always 100% supportive of his team, and he was (contrary to popular opinion) a really caring guy off track (Italy 01, marshal died, he found out marshals wife, and made sure she was financially secure for the rest of her life..) you tell me another driver who'd give a moments thought to that...??? He has given hundreds of hours, unpaid to charity and road saftey work throughout his career.. AND he never insulted his engineers and mechanics by basically telling them that he thought they were not giving 100% (FA, offering £700 per race to help him win!!!) MS KNEW they were doing their best, and he rewarded them after the season for their help EVERY YEAR, irrespective of championship position. MS wlked into his garage every morning, and greeted EVERY member of his crew with a smile and handshake BEFORE getting into the car, and thanked them for their efforts before leaving the circuit every night, irrespective of how the day had gone. FA walks into the garage, chats with the engineer, gets in car, and then leaves at the end of the day... that's it.... no recognition of the efforst of his crew..

So please, nikon133, if you're going to try and tar other drivers with FA's brush, please get the facts first..

[aboldero]

sorry, also forgot MS was in contention in 97 too, and again not in the best car..

regarding the Hill incident.. everyone slates him for it, but he deserved that championship, after, all he only scored points for 12 rounds.. (was excluded from 2, and banned from 2.. all unfairly) but everyone forgets what hill did at Silverstone and monza in 95..

Silverstone 94, excluded after overtaking hill on formation lap. stewards HAVE to tell team within 15 mins of penaltyt, it took the 27, therfore penalty irrelevant..

Spa 94, excluded for plank being worn below 1mm limit.. plank worn across, due to spin over kerb mid-race...

banned from 2 races for removing filter from fuel rig, despite getting written permission from FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting, in advance...

[ferraribird]

As we're seeing now, you can be a talented driver with the promise of world championship...ness (that isn't even a word! however...) but you need the car to be able to match you - witness JB! MS had a great deal of input into the Ferrari cars able to tell the engineers what the car felt like from the driver's perspective. MS was not just a great driver, he was the Mozart of F1. And you don't get to be 7 times world champion without being ruthless. He may have been a tad, let's say, overzealous at times but he wasn't as wanton as JPM about knocking people out of his way. Ferrari also stepped up when Ross Brawn (Braun?) got his hands on the cars! Alonso has the ruthless edge but he does not have the calculated coolheadedness of MS to match it. If Kimi can get a reliable car, his coolness matched with the fire he has shown will win him a championship. And then there's LH with his style of driving. He is definitely going to give MS a run for his money as the world's greatest driver! Unless he turns out to be a one-hit wonder.

[McLaren Fan]

There are no doubts Schumacher was a great driver and a Formula One great, however, it's the level of his greatness that's up for debate. My view on Schumacher is that he is understood in the wrong way. Although his driving skills were very good, his biggest asset, in my opinion, was his businessman-like nature whereby he got the team built around him and motivated to work for him. Did he deserve the 1994 Championship? On paper yes, however, I'm pretty convinced his car had some form of launch and traction control.

[ferraribird]

Coming out of the era when all the cars were driven by computers!

[McLaren Fan]

Coming out of the era when all the cars were driven by computers!

What does that matter? For 1994 all electronic gizmos were banned so there should have been none on any team's car. Thus, having them in some form or other is a big advantage. Launch control ensures a good getaway and traction control is a big help through slower speed corners.

[madbrad]

VIVA ALONSO...HURRA ALONSO..THE CHAMPION

ALONSO....YOU ARE THE BEST...THE CHAMPION

What are you, six?

[aboldero]

only problem now with the electronics is the standard ECU... the design contract was won by one of the McLaren group companies (along with TAG)..

if McLaren continue winning, you can see the tabloid stories now...

"McLaren thrown out of F1 due to their having bugged opponents ECU's to automatically blow the engine if it detects a McLaren is behind on track"

[McLaren Fan]

only problem now with the electronics is the standard ECU... the design contract was won by one of the McLaren group companies (along with TAG)..

if McLaren continue winning, you can see the tabloid stories now...

"McLaren thrown out of F1 due to their having bugged opponents ECU's to automatically blow the engine if it detects a McLaren is behind on track"

I was thinking that myself. Another criticism will be, of course, that saying as McLaren came up with the design, they will understand it better and, thus, have a competative advantage over their opponents. In something as political as Formula One, you're best to leave these things or alone or proceed under extreme caution.

[aboldero]

i think in hindsight RD made a booboo with that decision...

should have stayed well clear and let magnetti marelli or someone like that do it

[McLaren Fan]

i think in hindsight RD made a booboo with that decision...

should have stayed well clear and let magnetti marelli or someone like that do it

Surely it's not too late. Could McLaren not look into selling off the contract and the work they have carried out thus far? If I were Dennis, I would be looking over the contracts and allowing everybody to know what's going on to minimise any risk of something being said or anything that Mosley, Ferrari or anybody else for that matter, which could be used against McLaren.

[aboldero]

no, too late, ECU already complete, and being tested by the other teams, and there were already several complaints that they could not get them to work properly with their engines..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61758

[McLaren Fan]

no, too late, ECU already complete, and being tested by the other teams, and there were already several complaints that they could not get them to work properly with their engines..

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61758

Oh, yes, that's right. I forgot. I remember reading about it a while back.