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[myownalias]

It was brought up about how England's Ashes victory could overshadow such news as the Lockerbie bomber being released.

I was disgusted when I was sat in the bank waiting for my new debit watching the footage of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi boarding a plane home to Libya and even more disgsuted by the hero's welcome he received when he landed. How could they release someone that murdered 270 people, he only served 8 years, one year for every 34 killed when Pan-Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie. I really have no idea what Kenny MacAskill was thinking when he signed the release papers. al-Megrahi didn't have any compassion when he planted the bomb on flight 103, as far as I am concerned he should have died in Jail. Even more amazing is how central government sat idly by as he was released from jail, even more amazingly central government were quick to distance themselves from the whole situation.

[volatilis]

It was brought up about how England's Ashes victory could overshadow such news as the Lockerbie bomber being released.

I was disgusted when I was sat in the bank waiting for my new debit watching the footage of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi boarding a plane home to Libya and even more disgsuted by the hero's welcome he received when he landed. How could they release someone that murdered 270 people, he only served 8 years, one year for every 34 killed when Pan-Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie. I really have no idea what Kenny MacAskill was thinking when he signed the release papers. al-Megrahi didn't have any compassion when he planted the bomb on flight 103, as far as I am concerned he should have died in Jail. Even more amazing is how central government sat idly by as he was released from jail, even more amazingly central government were quick to distance themselves from the whole situation.

It's the law here in scotland. He had no choice.

For a Christian country such as America, it is ironic and disgusting that they can't practice what they preach.

However distasteful the release is, utlimatley compassion is one of the highest forms of ethics we can follow.

It's interesting how the majority of the complaints come from the USA and not from the Scottish victims family's.

I'm 'relieved' he was released. It was the right thing to do however unpopular politically it was.

in any given situation, including fighting against giant evil robots from another planet, just ask yourself, "what would Jesus do?"

[Jensonb]

It's outrageous, for sure. I can just about get over that they let him out, but the welcome he received was a disgrace.

[darwin dali]

It was brought up about how England's Ashes victory could overshadow such news as the Lockerbie bomber being released.

I was disgusted when I was sat in the bank waiting for my new debit watching the footage of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi boarding a plane home to Libya and even more disgsuted by the hero's welcome he received when he landed. How could they release someone that murdered 270 people, he only served 8 years, one year for every 34 killed when Pan-Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie. I really have no idea what Kenny MacAskill was thinking when he signed the release papers. al-Megrahi didn't have any compassion when he planted the bomb on flight 103, as far as I am concerned he should have died in Jail. Even more amazing is how central government sat idly by as he was released from jail, even more amazingly central government were quick to distance themselves from the whole situation.

It's the law here in scotland. He had no choice.

For a Christian country such as America, it is ironic and disgusting that they can't practice what they preach.

However distasteful the release is, utlimatley compassion is one of the highest forms of ethics we can follow.

It's interesting how the majority of the complaints come from the USA and not from the Scottish victims family's.

I'm 'relieved' he was released. It was the right thing to do however unpopular politically it was.

in any given situation, including fighting against giant evil robots from another planet, just ask yourself, "what would Jesus do?"

Sorry, I don't give a flying fook about what your imaginary friend would do. It was a wrong decision up there in Scotland and I've heard it's not the law, but that there's a fair amount of discretion with the judge to decide either way. Also, there are some signs that there was some potential oil/money involved in that. It was doubly wrong considering the hero's welcome he got in Libya - Gaddafi did Libya and himself a disservice by allowing/authorizing this disgrace as it will have some serious repercussions.

[McLaren]

The fact he was let out was disgusting as was the heros welcome he recived when landing.The thing that really annoys me is just like Iraq its all about getting more oil off ghadaffi

[volatilis]

It was brought up about how England's Ashes victory could overshadow such news as the Lockerbie bomber being released.

I was disgusted when I was sat in the bank waiting for my new debit watching the footage of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi boarding a plane home to Libya and even more disgsuted by the hero's welcome he received when he landed. How could they release someone that murdered 270 people, he only served 8 years, one year for every 34 killed when Pan-Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie. I really have no idea what Kenny MacAskill was thinking when he signed the release papers. al-Megrahi didn't have any compassion when he planted the bomb on flight 103, as far as I am concerned he should have died in Jail. Even more amazing is how central government sat idly by as he was released from jail, even more amazingly central government were quick to distance themselves from the whole situation.

It's the law here in scotland. He had no choice.

For a Christian country such as America, it is ironic and disgusting that they can't practice what they preach.

However distasteful the release is, utlimatley compassion is one of the highest forms of ethics we can follow.

It's interesting how the majority of the complaints come from the USA and not from the Scottish victims family's.

I'm 'relieved' he was released. It was the right thing to do however unpopular politically it was.

in any given situation, including fighting against giant evil robots from another planet, just ask yourself, "what would Jesus do?"

Sorry, I don't give a flying fook about what your imaginary friend would do. It was a wrong decision up there in Scotland and I've heard it's not the law, but that there's a fair amount of discretion with the judge to decide either way. Also, there are some signs that there was some potential oil/money involved in that. It was doubly wrong considering the hero's welcome he got in Libya - Gaddafi did Libya and himself a disservice by allowing/authorizing this disgrace as it will have some serious repercussions.

Just because you don't like the decision doesn't make it wrong. As far as the law goes in Scotland if he's ill and has 3 months or less left to live, he goes free.

Unless you know of a different law? Me, I don't really know anything I'm just Scottish.

Perhaps if the good ole USA would stop torturing people then they might have a leg to stand on when it comes to telling other countries what to do with their prisoners.

As for secret conspiracys and plots, same as usual no? Lets have some facts first?

Also don't talk smack about Jesus. He loves you.

[darwin dali]

It was brought up about how England's Ashes victory could overshadow such news as the Lockerbie bomber being released.

I was disgusted when I was sat in the bank waiting for my new debit watching the footage of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi boarding a plane home to Libya and even more disgsuted by the hero's welcome he received when he landed. How could they release someone that murdered 270 people, he only served 8 years, one year for every 34 killed when Pan-Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie. I really have no idea what Kenny MacAskill was thinking when he signed the release papers. al-Megrahi didn't have any compassion when he planted the bomb on flight 103, as far as I am concerned he should have died in Jail. Even more amazing is how central government sat idly by as he was released from jail, even more amazingly central government were quick to distance themselves from the whole situation.

It's the law here in scotland. He had no choice.

For a Christian country such as America, it is ironic and disgusting that they can't practice what they preach.

However distasteful the release is, utlimatley compassion is one of the highest forms of ethics we can follow.

It's interesting how the majority of the complaints come from the USA and not from the Scottish victims family's.

I'm 'relieved' he was released. It was the right thing to do however unpopular politically it was.

in any given situation, including fighting against giant evil robots from another planet, just ask yourself, "what would Jesus do?"

Sorry, I don't give a flying fook about what your imaginary friend would do. It was a wrong decision up there in Scotland and I've heard it's not the law, but that there's a fair amount of discretion with the judge to decide either way. Also, there are some signs that there was some potential oil/money involved in that. It was doubly wrong considering the hero's welcome he got in Libya - Gaddafi did Libya and himself a disservice by allowing/authorizing this disgrace as it will have some serious repercussions.

Just because you don't like the decision doesn't make it wrong. As far as the law goes in Scotland if he's ill and has 3 months or less left to live, he goes free.

Unless you know of a different law? Me, I don't really know anything I'm just Scottish.

Perhaps if the good ole USA would stop torturing people then they might have a leg to stand on when it comes to telling other countries what to do with their prisoners.

As for secret conspiracys and plots, same as usual no? Lets have some facts first?

Also don't talk smack about Jesus. He loves you.

Section three of the Prisoners and Criminal Proceedings (Scotland) Act 1993 gives the Scottish Ministers the power to release prisoners on licence on compassionate grounds.

The Act requires that Ministers are satisfied that there are compassionate grounds justifying the release of a person serving a sentence of imprisonment. Although the Act does not specify what the grounds for compassionate release are, guidance from the Scottish Prison Service, who assess applications, suggests that it may be considered where a prisoner is suffering from a terminal illness and death is likely to occur soon. There are no fixed time limits but life expectancy of less than three months may be considered an appropriate period. The guidance makes it clear that all prisoners, irrespective of sentence length, are eligible to be considered for compassionate release. That guidance dates from 2005."


There is nowhere written that the Scottish Ministers HAVE to grant such an APPLICATION for release.

On the US torturing and all - yes, I give you that!

Oil/money - we'll see what will transpire there...

Again, I don't give a rat's arse about your imaginary friend or who he loves or not

[McLaren Fan]

The whole situation around Lockerbie stinks. In an ideal world, Megrahi's appeal would have been heard, some of the truth outed, and he would almost certainly have been released with his name cleared. The case against Megrahi didn't stack up before, and it certainly doesn't stack up now; if Megrahi was involved, it was most likely a minor role. But, of course, neither the governments of both the United Kingdom and United States wanted the appeal to go ahead, as all of the skeletons would tumble out of the wardrobe - i.e., monumental levels of corruption and politicking which goes right to the heart of the Thatcher and Reagan administrations, plus the intelligence agencies of both countries. Oil, of course, is another big factor. It should come as no surprise to us all that Lord Mandelson, the United Kingdom's 'First Secretary of State, Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, President of the Board of Trade and Lord President of the Council' and de facto Prime Minister, and his son are cronies of Gaddafi. In fact, Mandelson's son was holidaying with Gaddafi's son a couple of weeks ago in Corfu. I wonder what was discussed over their horiatiki and wine.

But, of course, the hypocrisy goes even deeper. The US government, for example, have been decrying the release of Megrahi, but don't mind harbouring numerous IRA terrorists and funding their campaigns of evil. The US, in particular, wonders why everybody cannot stand the sight of it. The double standards, corruption and lies engulfing things such as Lockerbie serve to demonstrate why these feelings exist, and legitimise them.

[al4x]

from what i gather the evidence against him was really weak and tbh not enough to take away all those years from him, im not exactly sure but i heard that someoen in a shop recognized his face, but had also seen his pic in a magazine or something?

if the evidence was solid or he had admitted it, yeah keep him in, but it was weak, i dunno, i dont know the full facts

[Hanwombat]

I dont know much about the whole situation tbh

[Amanda]

from what i gather the evidence against him was really weak and tbh not enough to take away all those years from him, im not exactly sure but i heard that someoen in a shop recognized his face, but had also seen his pic in a magazine or something?

if the evidence was solid or he had admitted it, yeah keep him in, but it was weak, i dunno, i dont know the full facts

But he was convicted and therefore he is guilty in the eyes of the law. Only an appeal should be allowed to overturn that decision in my opinion, not one minister. If that was part of the decision then why should his interpretation of the evidence supersede that of the jury's?

I'm strongly opposed to the release of murderers on compassionate grounds, particularly one who is responsible for the death of so many. Had he been imprisoned for a crime which hadn't taken, or put at risk, lives then I'd have no problem wih the release but this isn't one of those cases.

[Sam-KK24]

But he was convicted and therefore he is guilty in the eyes of the law. Only an appeal should be allowed to overturn that decision in my opinion, not one minister. If that was part of the decision then why should his interpretation of the evidence supersede that of the jury's?

I'm strongly opposed to the release of murderers on compassionate grounds, particularly one who is responsible for the death of so many. Had he been imprisoned for a crime which hadn't taken, or put at risk, lives then I'd have no problem wih the release but this isn't one of those cases.

He wasn't allowed an appeal.

[volatilis]

But he was convicted and therefore he is guilty in the eyes of the law. Only an appeal should be allowed to overturn that decision in my opinion, not one minister. If that was part of the decision then why should his interpretation of the evidence supersede that of the jury's?

I'm strongly opposed to the release of murderers on compassionate grounds, particularly one who is responsible for the death of so many. Had he been imprisoned for a crime which hadn't taken, or put at risk, lives then I'd have no problem wih the release but this isn't one of those cases.

He wasn't allowed an appeal.

Actually he was in the process of appealing but dropped it as he would have received his judgement posthumously. Part of the arrangement for release was based upon him doing so, which lends credence to the theory that a lot is being covered up that we don't know about.

Anyway the evidence was very shaky.

DD it would seem that the conditions for release according to the guidance are 3 months left to live.

Also, at the end of the day for me, I think compassion is a real strength. To let this man go, guilty or not, with three months left to live is an example for how civilised society's should act. In effect it makes me proud to be Scottish. I've always thought we were better than everyone else, now I have proof.

Edit: Jesus loves you.

[vaptin]

the mans terminally ill, no? he was going to die before his appeal and hes going to die soon anyway, the evidence he was convicted on was shaky enough. Whats the difference between a potentially innocent man dying in prison, and a potentially guilty man dying out side of it?

[EwanM]

My grandparents lived literally on the very outskirts of Lockerbie and they could always describe the events in detail.

They always said that you could not imagine the drone when the plane came down, they thought it was thunder so rushed to their window to check it out. The sky was completely red over towards Lockerbie as flames engulfed the sky.

At first I think everyone believed that there had been a Chernobyl at the Chapel Cross Nuclear Power station, however (luckily) that wasn't the case. My uncle, at the time a student in Edinburgh, had a very luck escape too. He was minutes away from where the plane struck the motorway and had to sit in the queue which built up.

I mean I've been to Lockerbie on a number of occasions since then and although the town isn't the wealthiest or the most inspiring, there is a sense of community spirit. American victims of the flight still hold links to the town, a great rememberance garden lies on the outskirts.

Gone is the crator where the main body of the plane struck and in its place is new houses etc etc.

You see what i'm getting here. Even though life moves on, memories of this attoricity linger on.

Kenny Macaskill's decision to release al-Megrahi is sickening for many - not at least the families. However I think what will sicken many of them more is the fact that they can no longer have their appeal and can no longer uncover the truth about the terrorist attack.

I watched the Scottish Parliament debate yesterday and as ever I was disgusted with the SNP and their utter amateurish way of governing. They are joke - voted in on mixed up ballot papers. They have ruined what is it is to be Scottish. Wrapping themselves in the Saltire at every given moment.

Although the Justice Secretary was well within his right to release Gaddafi, questions remain.

I think al-Megrahi's original convition is very questionable, and there is alot of evidence to prove this. I think the long drawn out process of the "Scottish Court in the Netherlands" also did not allow for proper justice. I think in many ways al-Megrahi was made a scapegoat so that the courts could have their man. Although I do not doubt he was involved in the plot, I do not think he was the only one (and this is proven by Lybia's big pay out of compensation years later.)

al-Megrahi should not have been released back to his homeland. The SNP claimed that they had been given assurances that Lybia wouldn't react to his return as they did. But really who do the SNP think they are? The Scottish Parliament is a backwater and Salmond is an absolute w***er (in my opinion). Nobody takes there dodgy little parliament seriously when it comes to international affairs.

There are two things which disgusts me more about this whole event. Namely why do the Scottish Govt continue to deny that they had planned his release when the media reported it so early on? Also why did the Justice Secretary not explore other means of compassion? al-Megrahi could easily have died in a Scottish hospice.

"Oh no we don't want to put those strains on our police forces, or the innocent people in the hospice." Rubbish they can spare over 40 police officers for a football match, they could easily have done it for this man, I mean he was going to die in three months right? (another very doubtful piece of information).

Also what are the terms of al-Megrahi bail? He has to turn up to a video conference once a month.

And what if he doesn't? Do the SNP have any power to take action? Na, typical crap from a typically crap leader and his party.

I hope there is a vote of no confidence, I hope it brings down the SNP government and I hope that it buries their ideas of "independence and nationalism". For I am very proud of being a Scot, but not of our government and their moronic ideas