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[myownalias]

How exactly does KERS work? I was under the impression that the battery/flywheel when released directly powered the rear wheels. Does it run through the engine to delivery the extra 80bhp? If it does put extra power directly to the rear wheels then KERS has nothing to do with engine Williams may acquire next season!
And I fully expect KERS to be more widespread next season, if Williams run their KERS next year, McLaren will almost certainly follow suit given the advantage it has given them in the past two races. Then it's inevitable that Ferrari will use KERS then suddenly the whole gentlemans agreement to not use KERS will collapse.

I thought the motor/generator was attached to the engine to me this makes sense as then the power still goes through the gear box if u get me. I just found an Interesting fact that Zytek makes a lot of the stuff for the McLaren KERS I knew that Zytek had been developing a KERS for a team since January but i never found out who i assumed it was for a smaller team who was not using it. I'm amazed it was actually for McLaren BTW i live 100 meters away from Zytek's engine development factory maybe i shall try a visit see if i can get more info.

I'm not surprised that McLaren outsourced as it's much cheaper to outsource than develop in-house as they would probably need to hire a specialist in energy recovery and that wouldn't be cheap. The only advantage to having the KERS system made in-house would be the sole rights to the product to sell on to third parties. Depending on how the agreement was written, Zytek could have the rights to sell KERS to any F1 team and even the commercial car market and McLaren can do nothing about it!

I think McLaren has a good enough legal department working for them to have come up with a contract that's good for them...

There's always loopholes as we have found out this years F1 season! Double Diffuser?

[Denthúl]

Yeah, but the F1 regulations were written up by amateurs...

[myownalias]

Yeah, but the F1 regulations were written up by amateurs...

Or written by a genius to shake up the Ferrari/McLaren monopoly! Anyway I digress, back on topic...

[Frosty]

Just found this little bit of information from the BBC site

Well, even if Williams vote against for a second time, Kers is still unlikely to be in F1 next year. That's because, to use it, a team needs a Kers driver on their engine - and all the engines come from Fota teams. So Williams's engines would simply come without the parts needed to make Kers work.

[myownalias]

Just found out this little bit of information from the BBC

Well, even if Williams vote against for a second time, Kers is still unlikely to be in F1 next year. That's because, to use it, a team needs a Kers driver on their engine - and all the engines come from Fota teams. So Williams's engines would simply come without the parts needed to make Kers work.

Unless they use Cosworth engines, that will undoubtedly be KERS enabled, which may well offset the 4 year old Cossie design!

[Frosty]

Just found out this little bit of information from the BBC

Well, even if Williams vote against for a second time, Kers is still unlikely to be in F1 next year. That's because, to use it, a team needs a Kers driver on their engine - and all the engines come from Fota teams. So Williams's engines would simply come without the parts needed to make Kers work.

Unless they use Cosworth engines, that will undoubtedly be KERS enabled, which may well offset the 4 year old Cossie design!

I'm pretty sure that engine is going to be utter sh!t.. May be wrong though.

[myownalias]

Just found out this little bit of information from the BBC

Well, even if Williams vote against for a second time, Kers is still unlikely to be in F1 next year. That's because, to use it, a team needs a Kers driver on their engine - and all the engines come from Fota teams. So Williams's engines would simply come without the parts needed to make Kers work.

Unless they use Cosworth engines, that will undoubtedly be KERS enabled, which may well offset the 4 year old Cossie design!

I'm pretty sure that engine is going to be utter sh!t.. May be wrong though.

I could be wrong but I believe that Cosworth as allowed to modify the engines to be on par the best 2009 specification engines as the engine freeze wasn't a true freeze, many teams were allowed to alter their design after the freeze to fix defects in the design, which as a side effect boosted the bhp! Obviously the 2009 specification engines will also be different than the frozen engine to accommodate the KERS driver and no doubt the engine boffins squeezed a little more bhp out of the engine at that time!

[7UpJordan]

I could be wrong but I believe that Cosworth as allowed to modify the engines to be on par the best 2009 specification engines as the engine freeze wasn't a true freeze, many teams were allowed to alter their design after the freeze to fix defects in the design, which as a side effect boosted the bhp! Obviously the 2009 specification engines will also be different than the frozen engine to accommodate the KERS driver and no doubt the engine boffins squeezed a little more bhp out of the engine at that time!

And with the FIA, you never know what you're going to get from them, so who knows what they have instructed Cosworth to do with their V8.

[Frosty]

I could be wrong but I believe that Cosworth as allowed to modify the engines to be on par the best 2009 specification engines as the engine freeze wasn't a true freeze, many teams were allowed to alter their design after the freeze to fix defects in the design, which as a side effect boosted the bhp! Obviously the 2009 specification engines will also be different than the frozen engine to accommodate the KERS driver and no doubt the engine boffins squeezed a little more bhp out of the engine at that time!

And with the FIA, you never know what you're going to get from them, so who knows what they have instructed Cosworth to do with their V8.

Yeah they will probably be allowed to do whatever they want which is totally unfair to the other teams.

[McLaren Fan]

Porsche were not able to sell McLaren's engines from 1983 to 1987. In fact, a decent number of Formula One parts are outsourced. So, I'd say McLaren have their KERS covered.

[scotty]

I'm amazed it was actually for McLaren BTW i live 100 meters away from Zytek's engine development factory maybe i shall try a visit see if i can get more info.

Where is that? There is a Zytek facility in a village literally 7/8 miles from me...

[headless]

Don't blame Wiiliams

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

Renault reportedly wants Williams to re-enter the Formula One Teams’ Association before it agrees to supply the British outfit with engines for next year.

Possibly due to the uncertainty about Toyota's participation beyond the current season, Williams is on the lookout for an alternate engine supply and is believed to be eyeing the Renault deal currently used by Red Bull.

"The engine situation is still a work in progress but I think we are relatively clear on which direction we want to go in," chief executive Adam Parr said.

According to Auto Motor und Sport however, Flavio Briatore has told Sir Frank Williams that he must re-join FOTA before the engine deal is signed.

Williams, whose logo was never removed from the FOTA website and official stationary, was suspended from the body earlier this year because it broke ranks and signed up unconditionally for the 2010 championship amid the FOTA breakaway threat.

Williams said in June: "If you're expelled from school, you don't tend to go back do you?"

It is reported that the similarly suspended Force India has also been invited to re-join FOTA and is likely to do so shortly, while the first of the new F1 teams to ask to join the association is USF1.

However, Auto Motor und Sport reports there is real uncertainty about USF1's plans for 2010, despite signing YouTube's Chad Hurley as a backer. The publication said "only desks and computers" are to be found currently at the outfit's Charlotte base.

Source: GMM
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Very nostalgic, but I don't see the glory days returning for either party any time soon.

[Brandz]

Can someone clear this up


Is it USF1 or USGPE

Because i thought it started as USF1 and then was changed to USGPE becoz bernie got in a huff about the term 'f1'. but now in articles its USF1

[JamesD89]

Can someone clear this up


Is it USF1 or USGPE

Because i thought it started as USF1 and then was changed to USGPE becoz bernie got in a huff about the term 'f1'. but now in articles its USF1

I'd never even heard of the issue, it's always been Peter Windsor's USF1 as far as I was aware. What does the E stand for?