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#144926
Well this is quite surprising, Williams are trying to finish their deal with Toyota this year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77897

Williams seeks early end to Toyota deal

By Jonathan Noble and Dieter Rencken Saturday, August 22nd 2009, 17:37 GMT


Williams has requested a release from its engine contract with Toyota for 2010, AUTOSPORT has learned, with the team now weighing up its options about which power-unit to run next year.

Although Williams has another year to run in its partnership with the Japanese manufacturer, moves are now being made for the deal to finish at the end of this year.

It is understood that Williams has already held talks with several car manufacturers about a supply for 2010 - with Renault emerging as favourites for a new partnership, although Mercedes-Benz could also be a possibility.

Team boss Frank Williams told AUTOSPORT that he expected a decision about the identity of the engine partner to be made imminently.

"It will be quite soon," he said. "We have got to find a way to put it into a car, haven't we?"

Although AUTOSPORT understands that talks have already opened with Renault about a potential supply deal for next year, Williams declined to comment on who was favourite if the team's deal with Toyota comes to an end.

"The paddock is full of gossip," he said when asked if Renault was his preferred option. "Tomorrow it might be Mercedes-Benz, and then the next day Ferrari – and I get a free car with it!"

Toyota has confirmed that it is 'flexible' to the possibility of Williams ending its deal early – providing it was not hurt financially by the move.

"It is a slightly complex situation," team president John Howett told AUTOSPORT. "The original document we gave the right for Williams to seek an alternative engine. The basis was that should they get a free engine in the future, perhaps from a new entrant manufacturer, then we would not be there to damage Williams in any way with purely contractual relations.

"Earlier this year they pushed us to sign an extension agreement covering specifically next year, which we have concluded, but they are asking, or seeking, to find an alternative supplier.

"Toyota's position is normally flexible. If they do not wish to take our engine, I don't really feel materially, provided we can reduce the stock and are not left with any liability, that we hold them to the contract."

Renault has been pushing hard to keep its customer supply operation in place for next year, and AUTOSPORT understands it has upped its efforts to try to convince current partner Red Bull Racing to extend its successful partnership.

Red Bull Racing is seriously considering a switch to Mercedes-Benz for next year, but a hard push from Renault chiefs to show its commitment to helping the Milton Keynes-based outfit appears to have put the French car manufacturer back in the frame again.

Christian Horner, team principal of Red Bull Racing, said his outfit would take its time before deciding what it would do.

"We have still got time on our hands," Horner told AUTOSPORT. "Renault is doing a great job for us, showing great support, but we are not in any rush."

I would love to see the return of the team entry "Williams Renault". At the same time Sir Frank should get back in touch with Canon. :D
#144935
bet as soon as they get a new engine Nakajima gets sacked


:yes:

Can't see them getting Merc engines, so many teams already have them, 'Williams-Ferrari' just sounds wrong, so i guess it's gonna be Renault...
#144937
bet as soon as they get a new engine Nakajima gets sacked


:yes:

Nakajima frustrates me. He's so fast, but can't pull it off in a race. :irked:

Well this is quite surprising, Williams are trying to finish their deal with Toyota this year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77897

I would love to see the return of the team entry "Williams Renault".


I'd love that, too. And I personally think that the Renault engine is more competitive than the Toyota, so it would be a good move indeed. :)
#144946
bet as soon as they get a new engine Nakajima gets sacked


:yes:

Can't see them getting Merc engines, so many teams already have them, 'Williams-Ferrari' just sounds wrong, so i guess it's gonna be Renault...


Williams will never get Ferrari on principle.

so Williams Renault is back :)

Free engines, huh?
Wait for it.
....
:rofl:


"Renault Donate Engines Stuggling Williams Team"

Then Sir Frank pays under the table
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#144949
bet as soon as they get a new engine Nakajima gets sacked


:yes:

Can't see them getting Merc engines, so many teams already have them, 'Williams-Ferrari' just sounds wrong, so i guess it's gonna be Renault...

Williams-Mercedes doesn't have a nice ring to it either... Renault would be a better choice, just for the nostalgic effect alone. :yes:
#144951
My only worry is that they might get forced to resort to the Cosworth engines, which aren't gonna be up to much if the design is 3 years old, engine freeze or not!
#144954
My only worry is that they might get forced to resort to the Cosworth engines, which aren't gonna be up to much if the design is 3 years old, engine freeze or not!

Reliability is an issue as well, ok the FW28 was an unrealiable bucket but the Cosworth engine wasn't exactly bullet-proof. Sir Frank has hinted that he'd rather not use the Cosworth even if it's cheap.
#145017
My only worry is that they might get forced to resort to the Cosworth engines, which aren't gonna be up to much if the design is 3 years old, engine freeze or not!

I was wondering if anyone would realise that Cosworth is a real possibility for Williams especially with the FIA pushing teams to take Cosworth engines (and Williams supposedly being the FIA's pet). Williams Renault does indeed sound good, maybe it'll bring good luck back to Sir Frank's team, bring back the blue and yellow livery! :D
#145019
My only worry is that they might get forced to resort to the Cosworth engines, which aren't gonna be up to much if the design is 3 years old, engine freeze or not!

I was wondering if anyone would realise that Cosworth is a real possibility for Williams especially with the FIA pushing teams to take Cosworth engines (and Williams supposedly being the FIA's pet). Williams Renault does indeed sound good, maybe it'll bring good luck back to Sir Frank's team, bring back the blue and yellow livery! :D


I think the Williams livery will remain blue and white. I love the FW31's livery, it's by far the best in the sport at the moment.
#145033
I expect it will probably be the Renault engine but if they have any sense they would try and get the Merc one.


I wish they wouldn't. Mercedes engines are set to be with three or four teams next year already...

Besides, the Renault engine is more or less on-par after its winter upgrade.
#145037
The engines are free it just costs Williams 15 million a year to get the camshafts for it.

the toyota engine must be bad for williams to want out. but then again they do always seem to blame the engine for their woes
#145041
The engines are free it just costs Williams 15 million a year to get the camshafts for it.

the toyota engine must be bad for williams to want out. but then again they do always seem to blame the engine for their woes


They do? :confused: Although i wouldn't be surprised if the Toyota engine is less powerful than the Mercs, Ferraris etc, it is pretty reliable. Don't think they've had a single failure since 2007...
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