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#144573
Rumours about Rosberg going to McLaren have been around nearly as long as the rumours about Alonso going to Ferrari. I think Rosberg and Williams have been a decent pairing, but they're coming to he end of what they can achieve together. Although efforts are being made to cut costs in Formula One, the changes won't be kicking in for another couple of years, so there is still more than enough time for McLaren to spend their way out of trouble and produce faster cars over the next few years. Moreover, McLaren have done relatively badly this season because of being caught up a long title battle with Ferrari last season leaving them much less time to develop their 2009 car, not because they are in danger of entering an era of average results like the mid-1990s. And most worryingly, McLaren's facilities enable them to develop their cars faster than anybody else on the grid. Despite Williams starting off with a much better car this season, McLaren overtook them in relatively short order. Williams are developing their car pretty much to stay where they are each race and I don't see them challenging for the title next season, unless they are allowed to pull a fast one with their KERS technology. Finally, I don't see there being any major financial problems at McLaren, whereas Williams are only racing today because of Ecclestone's charity. The only negative for Rosberg is that he will be up against Hamilton, not clowns such as Nakajima. It's a no brainer.

And there he goes on another anti-Williams tirade. :bs:

If Williams are staying where they are how come Nico's results have been getting progressively better since Monaco?


TBH to me that was more of a McLaren are better than Williams tirade, but i can't argue with that McLaren are the better team :p

Only because McLaren have the ability to throw money at everything, Williams have been on a dip and are on their way out of it. McLaren also steal other team's documents and lie to the stewards to get another driver penalised. ;)
Money isn't everything look at Toyota they spend more than any other team and they are probably worse off than Williams, but money does help but that's a good thing to have in a team not a bad thing. I agree the actions of certain individuals within the McLaren team were completely wrong and shameful but most of those individuals have now gone. The team has turned over a new leaf under new management MW is a very decent guy i think he will try his best to keep the team clean.
#144577
I get sick of all the anti-Williams stuff. It's as bad as the McLaren vs Ferrari fan nonsense. :yawn:

Can i please make it clear I'm not anti Williams in anyway i think they are a decent team, i just think McLaren are better.
#144580
I get sick of all the anti-Williams stuff. It's as bad as the McLaren vs Ferrari fan nonsense. :yawn:

Can i please make it clear I'm not anti Williams in anyway i think they are a decent team, i just think McLaren are better.


I'm not pointing at you, I'm talking in general, seeing as the subject has been brought up. There's an awful lot of it lately...
#144590
The team has turned over a new leaf under new management MW is a very decent guy i think he will try his best to keep the team clean.

Hm, so you're saying that RD was a not so decent guy who did it the dirty way? :P:thumbup:
#144591
McLaren also steal other team's documents and lie to the stewards to get another driver penalised. ;)

No you didn't :P:twisted:

The team has turned over a new leaf under new management MW is a very decent guy i think he will try his best to keep the team clean.

Hm, so you're saying that RD was a not so decent guy who did it the dirty way? :P:thumbup:


:hehe:
#144640
My comments have nothing to do with taking a dig at Williams, since the subject has been brought up. :rolleyes:

If Williams are staying where they are how come Nico's results have been getting progressively better since Monaco?

Well, true, but you're failing to consider alongside this that Rosberg scored points at the first two races of the season, before going completely off the boil. Therefore, Williams have been developing their car in order to be in more or less the same position. McLaren, off the back of last year's title battle and being involved in the Overtaking Working Group, however, had the slowest car over the pre-season, which was in danger of being declared unsuitable to race by the FIA, and now it's a race winner. And McLaren are already ahead of Williams in constructors' title, and I'll be surprised to see Williams finish higher at the end of the season. McLaren have the staff and facilities Williams could only dream of having.
#144643
My comments have nothing to do with taking a dig at Williams, since the subject has been brought up. :rolleyes:

If Williams are staying where they are how come Nico's results have been getting progressively better since Monaco?

Well, true, but you're failing to consider alongside this that Rosberg scored points at the first two races of the season, before going completely off the boil. Therefore, Williams have been developing their car in order to be in more or less the same position. McLaren, off the back of last year's title battle and being involved in the Overtaking Working Group, however, had the slowest car over the pre-season, which was in danger of being declared unsuitable to race by the FIA, and now it's a race winner. And McLaren are already ahead of Williams in constructors' title, and I'll be surprised to see Williams finish higher at the end of the season. McLaren have the staff and facilities Williams could only dream of having.


McLaren being ahead of Williams has far less to do with this miraculous car development and more to do with the fact that Nakajima hasn't scored a single point...
#144645
Well, true, but you're failing to consider alongside this that Rosberg scored points at the first two races of the season, before going completely off the boil.

And once again you have failed to consider that when Nico went completely off the boil in Bahrain and China (and Catalunya-wn to an extent) he has been coming back ever since with results improving. What position do you really think he finished in at Hungary? Last time I saw he finished 4th, maybe you're seeing a 1 in there making him 14th.
#144655
McLaren being ahead of Williams has far less to do with this miraculous car development and more to do with the fact that Nakajima hasn't scored a single point...

You speak as though McLaren's drivers have been overwhelmingly brilliant this season. On some occasions Hamilton has been memorising, and on others he's been a disaster. Kovalainen has been distinctly average all season, though he's had some poor luck as well. It's swingabouts and roundabouts really.

Anyway, McLaren and its loyal supporters care nothing for condescending remarks like 'this miraculous car development'; we're happy watching the team's heroic fight back, and are looking forward to a successful 2010 already.

What position do you really think he finished in at Hungary? Last time I saw he finished 4th, maybe you're seeing a 1 in there making him 14th.

A pathetically childish comment, which barely merits a reply, though not out of character.

And once again you have failed to consider that when Nico went completely off the boil in Bahrain and China (and Catalunya-wn to an extent) he has been coming back ever since with results improving.

The improvement seems quite marginal to me. Rosberg came 6th in Australia, and he's finished the last couple of Grands Prix just short of a podium. Hardly on the scale of McLaren's improvement, one would think. To say it is, is simply delusional.

It's always the same story from Williams: platitudes such as, "this track should suit our car", we are on the cusp of success, we expect to be competing for victories this year... Whilst Williams' performance is respectable this season, given their previous form, the performances and statistics repeatedly fail to back up the mammoth claims endlessly coming from Grove. McLaren, however, have certainly championed their words with results.
#144661
Money isn't everything look at Toyota they spend more than any other team and they are probably worse off than Williams, but money does help but that's a good thing to have in a team not a bad thing.

Okay, here's how it works:

Good team of talented, motivated people + Loads of cash = Championships

Toyota have this:

Mediocre team at times seemingly run by idiots + mountains of cash = Trulli Trains and lame Panasonic ads (At best)

Other examples of failing combinations include:

07 Honda: Good team with moronic blame-culture management keeping everyone demotivated and unhappy + tons of corporate's money, and no sponsorship money = "Just utter facepalm"
#144706
Toyota have this:

Mediocre team at times seemingly run by idiots + mountains of cash = Trulli Trains and lame Panasonic ads (At best)

You've got that right, especially when they hire Ralf Schumacher.
#144797
Sebastian Vettel has joined the ranks of Formula One drivers who enjoy eight-figure annual salaries, according to the German newspaper Bild.

It was announced on Friday that the 22-year-old has extended his contract with Red Bull Racing through 2011, with an option to also include 2012.

Bild claims Vettel is earning about €3.5 million per year in 2009 and 2010, but the new deal increases to €10m in 2011 and beyond.

The suggestion is therefore that Vettel was prepared to sign up for 2011 even without knowing if Red Bull's next car is a title challenger, and amid rumours teams like Ferrari, Toyota and McLaren were interested.


He responded: "I doubt that we are going to be bad next year, and when my contract ends, I am only going to be 25; I am not going to have grey hair!"

As for the reported pay rise, Vettel added: "As I said before, I feel good."
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