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[McLaren Fan]

However I do feel that the same applied for Ferrari V Williams or Lotus back in the day.

The garagistes thing, no doubt. Indeed, Chapman was pretty annoyed about the FIA and Ferrari's close relationship, but there was not the same personal enmity which existed between Dennis, and Mosley and Todt.

[EwanM]

However I do feel that the same applied for Ferrari V Williams or Lotus back in the day.

The garagistes thing, no doubt. Indeed, Chapman was pretty annoyed about the FIA and Ferrari's close relationship, but there was not the same personal enmity which existed between Dennis, and Mosley and Todt.

Well I would slightly disagree. I certainly believe that the recent disputes between Mclaren, Ferrari and FIA were alot more publicised, but in some of my readings, the similarities with the grievances then and now are so apparent. Different people but same world!

[scotty]

Ferrari set to switch focus to 2010

By Jonathan Noble Monday, July 13th 2009, 12:20 GMT

Ferrari thinks it will be a matter of days before it freezes development of its current F60 and shifts all its focus onto ensuring that its 2010 car can fight for the world championship.

Even though Felipe Massa scored a podium finish in the German Grand Prix to lift the Maranello outfit to within 2.5 points of third-placed Toyota in the Constructors' Championship, team principal Stefano Domenicali says his team will not keep pushing ahead with improving its car.

When asked in light of the Nurburgring result at what point the team will freeze development of its 2009 machine, Domenicali said: "It will be very soon.

"We have already started some work on the new project, and in the next couple of weeks we will basically shift off to the new project in order to make sure we do not lose any time. We know that next season will be crucial, and we want really definitely to start with a different pace compared to this year. So it is a matter of days rather than weeks."

Massa's run to third in the German GP was the team's best result since Monaco and has pointed towards Ferrari having made progress with its car.

However, Domenicali has urged caution in reading too much into the result marking a turning point for his team.

"I have to say that this year we need to be very careful, because it is very difficult to understand the performance of the car in different conditions," he said.

"Even within a team on different days. If you look at the performance up and down, we saw for example a fantastic lap time from the Renault here that was amazing, and for us in different conditions it varies.

"The most critical element of the year is to understand what is happening with our car in different conditions with different tyres. But after a couple of races we see it happening with all the teams, so it is not clear yet. We need to be very careful because races are, I don't want to say decided, but at certain moments these things can really make a difference.

"If you make a good start, if you are able to control the tyre at a certain moment to get certain positions, then the race is not finished but it is something that makes a difference."

He added: "I would say that in Germany we were very good with Felipe and Kimi, we had a good start and I must say KERS here was working even though I said before that in Abu Dhabi we would like to do something special with it.

"So we saw something interesting at the start and then it was good to conserve the tyres during the stint to use them when it was needed, and the team worked well, so at least I am positive and happy with the result. But we need to keep our feet on the ground because the others are not sleeping; the others are turning things around - look at what we have seen this weekend with Renault, McLaren and Force India.

"Unfortunately for Hamilton today, he lost the race and we don't know where he could have been because he had a puncture after contact at the beginning. You see these things are on the table when you are racing, so this year is more complicated than other times."

[headless]

How can they focus on next year, with it all up in the air?
And i wonder if Dennis, Todt are friends now.

[scotty]

How can they focus on next year, with it all up in the air?

Well, i guess that even in the unlikely event of a breakaway they'd still use F1 regs to design the cars, for the first season at least.

[headless]

Yeah probably as a starting block, thing.

[darwin dali]

They need to start thinking about the non-refuel rule with all its implications...
Also, the no-tire-warmer rule will be a tough nut to crack.

[EwanM]

They need to start thinking about the non-refuel rule with all its implications...
Also, the no-tire-warmer rule will be a tough nut to crack.

Kimi will just have a few hot toddies, that'll be all he needs.

[al4x]

They need to start thinking about the non-refuel rule with all its implications...
Also, the no-tire-warmer rule will be a tough nut to crack.

this non refuelling rule could be an absolute disaster, look how much faster alonso was and still couldnt overtake, with all on the same fuel it could be a true procession, i hope i wrong!

[headless]

They need to start thinking about the non-refuel rule with all its implications...
Also, the no-tire-warmer rule will be a tough nut to crack.

this non refuelling rule could be an absolute disaster, look how much faster alonso was and still couldnt overtake, with all on the same fuel it could be a true procession, i hope i wrong!

It could be.

[al4x]

^ lets just hope not, this year is yet another annoying year of non overtaking!

[headless]

^ lets just hope not, this year is yet another annoying year of non overtaking!

No tghere are some good battles, or potential for them, to keep us excited like last race with people bing nearby, we were thinking,"wow if he gets him" etc.
It didnt happen though.

[Denthúl]

They need to start thinking about the non-refuel rule with all its implications...
Also, the no-tire-warmer rule will be a tough nut to crack.

this non refuelling rule could be an absolute disaster, look how much faster alonso was and still couldnt overtake, with all on the same fuel it could be a true procession, i hope i wrong!

Some drivers will cope better than others on heavier fuel. Take Hamilton and Heidfeld for example - one is quite aggressive and mashes his tyres up, whilst the other is pretty smooth. In the early stages of the race, Heidfeld could have the advantage at the start of the race where he can manage his tyres better than Hamilton, but then as the fuel load comes down, Hamilton on fresh rubber would suddenly have the advantage and be able to charge forwards again.

Personally, I'd find that quite interesting.

[al4x]

^ lets just hope not, this year is yet another annoying year of non overtaking!

No tghere are some good battles, or potential for them, to keep us excited like last race with people bing nearby, we were thinking,"wow if he gets him" etc.
It didnt happen though.

alonso couldve easily had both brawns [grr brawn] but couldnt cause of the aero, still needs sorting! with level fuel the whole race.. snoozefest [haha thats a tarded word]

[7UpJordan]

A while back scotty commented that he believed that the braking distances are so short the cars don't get chance to try and pass.

With those ugly wheel-rim covers being banned next year perhaps that might teach the drivers to be careful with their brakes?

I still think the cars should be widened, "bulked up" and have the noses lowered to create a stronger slip-stream effect.