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By EwanM
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From Autosport:

FOTA pushing ahead with breakaway

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, July 9th 2009, 17:19 GMT

Formula 1 teams are pressing ahead with their plans for a breakaway championship next year, despite hope that a fresh push to tie a deal with the sport's commercial chiefs can bring an end to their troubles with the FIA.

Following the drama of Wednesday's walk out of a Technical Working Group meeting by eight members of the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) after they were told they could not have any input on future rules, fears about a rival series have resurfaced.

And although team bosses confirmed at the Nurburgring on Thursday that the breakaway plans were indeed back on the table because of the situation with the governing body, there is still some confidence that a deal to secure F1's future can be reached.

It is understood FOTA has decided to shift its efforts into securing a future deal onto working with commercial rights holders and sport owners CVC rather than dealing solely with the FIA.

BMW motorsport director Mario Theissen was optimistic that the progress with CVC to formalise a new binding Concorde Agreement could be completed soon, but the teams were not yet ready to call off the breakaway totally.

"It is very simple," he said when asked about the latest development in the FIA/FOTA battle. "There are still some irritating efforts which have surprised us. We still don't have an agreement, although I would say we are making progress - slowly but steadily.

"We cannot sit back and wait if there will be an agreement coming our way or not. So we have to keep all options open, and that means we have to look at the other course as well.

"We are in constant negotiations, and we might come to a conclusion, as the FIA indicates, in a few days - but it might take a few weeks. Or we might finally find out that there is no agreement, so we have to prepare for all possibilities."

FOTA insiders suggest that, in light of recent events, the teams are more determined than ever that FIA president Max Mosley sees through with his promise to step down from his position in October – as was originally agreed in the Paris meeting last month.

It is suggested that the teams will make it clear to CVC that they will only commit to the Concorde Agreement if Mosley's departure is confirmed. That stance comes after Australian GP chief Ron Walker, a close ally of Bernie Ecclestone, called on Mosley to step down on Thursday.

Toyota F1 president John Howett, when asked if Mosley standing again as president would scupper a deal, said: "Without answering that directly, I would say that the commercial rights holder understands what is required to get our signatures on the Concorde Agreement, and the agreement with them is very close. We just need to see and wait what happens."

FOTA is unruffled by the FIA's latest stance regarding their stand-off, and sources suggest that the body was keen to 'ignore' the latest press release from the governing body detailing the background to the discussions between them. Instead, FOTA wants to focus on nailing down the situation with CVC that will secure F1's future.

Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner said: "The teams are very close to finding agreement with the commercial rights holder regarding a new Concorde Agreement.

"Obviously there is a bit of turbulence at the moment with the FIA, and I am hoping common sense will ultimately prevail and ultimately we can find a solution very shortly."

Speaking about how unclear the picture was, with a Concorde deal close yet relations between the FIA and FOTA troubled, Horner said: "It is a bit confusing.

"It was a great shame that that position was taken regarding the TWG meeting because it wasn't particularly constructive to signing off regulations that we are pretty much in line with and agree with. So, I just hope that common sense will prevail and a solution can be found in the near future.

"The devil is in the detail with all these things, but I think that significant progress has been made since Silverstone, although there has been a bit of turbulence along the way. I am hopeful of a solution and I think we are not far off from seeing an end to this unhealthy situation for F1."

Horner said that he hoped the teams would not be forced to go ahead with their breakaway championship, although said there would be no qualm about launching it if a deal could not be reached with CVC.

"I think the thing that was compelling after the breakaway was announced was the amount of support that was forthcoming, that was pushing the teams to say yes, you've done the right thing, go ahead," he explained.

"Ultimately for F1, there does need to be a solution, it does need to be the F1 world championship and the breakaway, ultimately nobody would benefit from unless a solution genuinely cannot be found.

"But in this paddock nothing is out of the question, so I don't think you can rule it totally out. The intention is to try and find a position that everybody can live with."

With the latest row between the FIA and FOTA having renewed the breakaway fears just a fortnight after it appeared a deal was in place, Howett said he was sorry fans were facing more political wrangling.

However, he was confident that the situation would end in a solution that was positive.

"All we have to do is apologise to the public at the moment, but they should trust us," he said. "We know exactly where we are going, we have got the alternative still on the table and we are making positive progress with the important parties."


Melbourne could pull out over F1 rows

By Matt Beer Thursday, July 9th 2009, 16:49 GMT

Australian Grand Prix chairman Ron Walker has warned that the continuing uncertainty over Formula 1's future could see his event withdraw from the schedule.

As the FIA/FOTA row reignited following a disagreement at yesterday's Technical Working Group meeting, Walker said the lingering possibility of a breakaway championship involving most of F1's best-known teams would ba a major issue for the Melbourne organisers.

"If the disunity continues Melbourne will seriously consider its position on continuing with Formula 1," he told Australian newspaper The Age.

"Without Ferrari racing in Melbourne, [the race] will lose much of its glamour and therefore the government investment will come into question."

Walker believes the problems can be solved if Max Mosley follows his originally stated intention to step down from the FIA presidency when his term of office ends. He has hinted that he could be persuaded to stand for re-election if the FIA clubs felt that the body was under attack from the car manufacturers whose teams comprise much of FOTA.

"In my view Mr Mosley should walk away from the sport with dignity rather than slowly strangle to death the great brand of Formula 1," said Walker.

"The sport needs fresh and dynamic leadership more than ever before to lead F1 into a new era of motor racing. Bernie Ecclestone is absolutely trying to be a peacemaker, but if the most successful automotive companies in the world will not agree to the rules laid down by the FIA then that will be the end of it."
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Say if all the current teams sign a new Concorde Agreement, what potential consequences will that have if the teams decide to break away?
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"The sport needs fresh and dynamic leadership more than ever before to lead F1 into a new era of motor racing. Bernie Ecclestone is absolutely trying to be a peacemaker, but if the most successful automotive companies in the world will not agree to the rules laid down by the FIA then that will be the end of it."


It's classic dictator psychology for the dictator to believe that only he can manage their country/organisation, and that if they walk away, everything will fall to pieces. I do not believe that Max will walk away any more than I believe that Robert Mugabe will voluntarily give up power in Zimbabwe. And the more problems and conflict his presence causes, the more he will believe that he must stay on to prevent disaster.
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I got fed up with this nonsense a long time ago. It's clear Mosley will not stand down, and that he is trying to stall events to make it difficult for the teams to set up a breakaway series. A line must be drawn somewhere. The teams should just set a date - say the end of this month - for things to be sorted out, and if they aren't sorted out by then, a breakaway series it will be.
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Say if all the current teams sign a new Concorde Agreement, what potential consequences will that have if the teams decide to break away?

They can't sign anything till their terms are met otherwise they lose all power and Max has them. Too late to break away then.
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I got fed up with this nonsense a long time ago. It's clear Mosley will not stand down, and that he is trying to stall events to make it difficult for the teams to set up a breakaway series. A line must be drawn somewhere. The teams should just set a date - say the end of this month - for things to be sorted out, and if they aren't sorted out by then, a breakaway series it will be.

They said that before: end of July is pretty much the last option for compromise - after that it'll be point of no return and the breakaway will materialize.
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They said that before: end of July is pretty much the last option for compromise - after that it'll be point of no return and the breakaway will materialize.


Why the end of July? Can you explain further?
#131780
They said that before: end of July is pretty much the last option for compromise - after that it'll be point of no return and the breakaway will materialize.


Why the end of July? Can you explain further?


They need time to get the breakaway series started and that's what they figured would be the time frame.
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By Jamie
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Seriously I swear it never used to be like this. Even when VB was 7!


ohh i know :cloud9:

But then what ever we say it won't make a difference, FOTA have everything in there court at the moment, including the fans. Bernie & Co. have ruined the sports because of Greed, they have made a mockery of the sport and we all know that FOTA would provide us with a dream series, F1 is running on the brand and then same. No longer the fans, in which we follow the beloved teams and drivers. To me it's all about Ferrari, oh wait. Ferrari lead the FOTA, we have too much of a big fan base for everyone not to follow, in the end i hope we do get a break away series, i think the look on Mosleys face would be priceless. I hate F1 and find there no reason to watch because all we talk about is the F ups that the big boys have made? Honda have pulled out? I think they left for the better and can expect to see them in the FOTA series! As the Jap's are very respectable and i think the umpalumpa crap really put them off. I think it's not just the price it's the people! This is all :bs: i hope it can be resolved soon! because F1 is the pinnacle of Motor Sport, it looks more like a nursery to me!

End it now, end the chillness, the childish banter and all the rubbish that follows. Mosley must see he's doing a crap job as all the teams are pulling together at the moment? They all hate one and other? and now they are coming together as best friends? I doubt they give a rats arse who wins on the track anymore.

F1 - :bs:

At-least Moto Gp keeps the politics away!!
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Do FOTA have the fans in their court? sure many of the forumites on here are behind FOTA but on a world scale how many people actually give a damn about this current situation? and how many would switch allegiance to a FOTA championship over a FIA championship really? Either way I want Max to either go ahead with the new teams or allow FOTA in and get it sorted out. If FOTA seriously want to breakaway (which I seriously doubt) then they need to just do it instead of blowing hot air. F1 will survive no matter what; it may take a dip but the brand name alone would be enough to get it back on track, FOTA has no history and no long term commitment from manufacturers.

The longer FOTA delay in starting up a rival series; the more the ball moves in the FIA's court. But at the same time the FIA need to make a decision to allow the new teams time to get it together before next March. The longer this dispute goes on; the more fans that will simply give up on either series!
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The longer FOTA delay in starting up a rival series; the more the ball moves in the FIA's court. But at the same time the FIA need to make a decision to allow the new teams time to get it together before next March. The longer this dispute goes on; the more fans that will simply give up on either series!


I do not believe that FOTA delaying moves the ball into the FIA's court. I believe that it will be easier and quicker for FOTA to create a breakaway series than it would be for the FIA to replace the FOTA teams to create a viable championship.
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By EwanM
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Ecclestone: Mosley will not stand again

By Jonathan Noble Saturday, July 11th 2009, 09:04 GMT

Bernie Ecclestone believes that FIA president Max Mosley will see through his vow to step down from his role later this year.

Although there has been renewed speculation about Mosley's future plans, on the back of increased tensions between the FIA and the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA), Ecclestone is sure that his long-time ally will not go back on his intention of moving aside.

"I have no doubt in my mind, as long as I've known Max, he's always done what he said he would do," Ecclestone told The Times.

"He's an honourable person. I've always said Max can have a cheque signed by me, without any name or amount on it, because he's a trustworthy guy. So I have no doubt that he will honour all the things he's ever said he will do."

Ecclestone also revealed that Mosley was hurt by the way that FOTA spoke out following the deal that was reached last month to head off the threat of a breakaway championship.

"He was a bit upset after agreements had been made [with Luca Di Montezemolo, the president of Ferrari] to be quiet and not throw stones at each other, and then remarks were made which upset him," he said.

And Ecclestone is confident that the renewed threat of a breakaway championship will not be realised.

"There are probably a couple of people in all the teams who would like to see it happen," he said. "But, no, I don't think it will happen.

"I think people realise that the Formula 1 World Championship has been going for 60 years, it is well established, we've got the best circuits in the world and I don't think they've even thought through really how there could be a breakaway. And if there is, what would our company do?"


Hmm I would want to believe you, but this is new and improved Mad Max 2.0
#132019
If Mosley is not president by October, it will only be because he's been stabbed in the back or pushed out.
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