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[f1ea]

Ferrari are not loyal !They have held F1 to ransome on many occassion to suit their own agenda. McLaren have more loyalty than Ferrari . But the question should be where does the loyalty lie? Until very recently Ferrari's has layn fairly and squarely on whats best for Ferari..not F1.
Briatore plays his own game thats for sure, but so does mosely so maybe a Briatore character is required.
THE WHOLE THING IS poo COS IS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT MOTOR RACING

Why do you say Mclaren have been more loyal? and where is the disloyalty in any team suiting their own agenda? after all, Ferrari's own agenda has been F1. They may place their cars in other series, but they have 99% their oranges in the F1 basket. And so does Mclaren and some others.

So you see, I'm not saying Mclaren is less loyal than Ferrari, or Briatore etc... all i'm saying is that no matter their involvement and conditions they are all looking to satisfy their own agenda, and that should be no problem. The problem is when there is no one capable of ensuring the COMMON interests are served... and for me, i think the teams deserve more participation because they are the largest part of these common interests.

[f1usa]

Well according to that article, FOTA cannot change anything unless the non member teams agree, so I suppose that Mosley has went against everything agreed because FOTA will not get the unanimous agreement it seeks.

Don't you think that is fair though? Why should the 8 FOTA teams be able to dictate rules effectively giving the non-FOTA teams no say!

As I said in another thread; the Formula One Teams Association can't really exist unless it covers all teams involved in the championship!
Williams and Force India need to be readmitted and the three new teams admitted... or else it will become the MTA (manufacturer teams association).

As much as I feel FOTA should be given a say, I do agree that it is only right that the other teams have a say in the rules. I was merely stating that Max has been able to pull a fast one.

How can FOTA include the three new teams in talks about rule changes, while protesting at the same time the corrupt admission procedures of two new teams. Max is trying to pull a fast one on FOTA, saying you sided with them on rules but to you want them excluded now.

[myownalias]

The bottom line is that whether all the teams are under the umbrella of FOTA or not; all teams are going to get an equal vote, in or out of FOTA; makes no difference.

Racechick; Yes Ferrari have played the game very well to get their own way thusfar but they have never seriously entertained leaving F1 and never will!

[Jamie]

FOTA

They stole the fans

[f1usa]

The bottom line is that whether all the teams are under the umbrella of FOTA or not; all teams are going to get an equal vote, in or out of FOTA; makes no difference.

Racechick; Yes Ferrari have played the game very well to get their own way thusfar but they have never seriously entertained leaving F1 and never will!

We haven't seen all the fallout from the FIA's team selection process. FOTA needs to sit tight, including new teams in rule change discussions would legitimize their selection.

[billindenver]

Come on people, there is no such thing as multi-million pound loyalty. At that price tag, everyone is loyal to their own interests and nothing more. To expect more is ridiculous and beyond reason. The trick is to have the series serve everyone's interest. Not just the commercial rights holder and certainly not the very expensive referee who appears to co-own the commercial rights...but everyone. That has not been the case in the least...until the teams banded together and forced such a consideration....which is as it should be. Should Max's shoestring budget racers be allowed to force a spending cap on the teams simply because Max produced a rulebook that says as much and the shoestring teams joined under those rules? No...if they can't afford F1...they should not be in F1. Max has been attempting to spend cap, with spec engines etc etc for quite a while now. He has failed, and if he attempts to resurrect that dream by coaxing a new team, who frankly can not and will not compete for long in F1, to object to the rules not being as written....then FOTA should once again pull out and create their own series. It is a mistake to believe that Max will ever feel obliged to keep his word anyway. The man is a wart on the backside of motor racing.

[bud]

a new Concorde agreement is not signed yet so technically the fights not even over.

[Jamie]

a new Concorde agreement is not signed yet so technically the fights not even over.

Bud you know we will win in the end

but then what is exactly is going on? I haven't been paying too much attention to be fairly honest...

[FerrariFan63]

I think it's useful to consider which way power swings when time gets shorter and shorter. At present there's a long time before racing starts in 2010. So the FIA could rustle up a number of pseudo-teams to fill the grid before the first race. But FOTA teams would have cars ready, and could move to a new series as quickly as it would take to organise the locations for the races. I don't know how long this would be, but I would guess that it would be faster than the time taken to create new teams. So eventually there will be a time when it will still be feasible for FOTA to start its own championship, but where the FIA couldn't continue with a feasible F1 championship for the next year. When that time comes, FOTA's power will be at maximum. As it sits schtumm now, its power relative to the FIA will be increasing, explaining that strategy.

As has been said, no concorde agreement has been signed. And FOTA has said that their return to the fold is because Mosley is out with immediate effect. That could possibly be used later on, if Mosley stays as many seem to assume he will, for the FOTA to go back on any agreements they've made. The timing of the election, October, also seems interesting. Is that going to be within the time span where FOTA can organise a breakaway championship, but the FIA would be screwed?

[EwanM]

a new Concorde agreement is not signed yet so technically the fights not even over.

Sadly even the Concorde has never stopped the FIA in the past from imposing their will on certain issues.

[EwanM]

FOTA teams walk out of FIA meeting

By Jonathan Noble Wednesday, July 8th 2009, 15:54 GMT

The Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) walked out of a technical meeting with the FIA about future rules on Wednesday, renewing doubts about the strength of the recent peace deal.

The FIA held one of its regular Technical Working Group meetings at the Nurburgring to make moves on finalising F1 rules, following agreement to scrap controversial budget cap regulations.

The meeting included representatives from all the current teams, plus new outfits US F1, Campos Meta and Manor Grand Prix.

Some progress was made in terms of agreeing to scrap the specific budget cap rules introduced on April 29.

However, the teams could not agree on a minimum weight limit for 2010, and there had also not been a sign-off of the legally binding agreement to reduce costs.

Of most interest, though, just a day after AUTOSPORT revealed that FOTA had been told that it could not finalise rules without agreement from non-member teams, the eight outfits involved in the organisation left the meeting when asked to provide input on further rule changes it hoped to see in place.

A statement from the FIA, detailing the meeting, said: "Following the decision of the World Council on 24 June to revert to the pre-29 April version of the 2010 F1 Sporting and Technical Regulations, the FIA today met the teams which have entered the 2010 Championship to seek their agreement to these changes.

"All changes have now been agreed subject only to the maintenance of the minimum weight at 620 kg and the signing of a legally binding agreement between all the teams competing in 2010 to reduce costs to the level of the early 1990s within two years, as promised by the FOTA representative in Paris on 24 June.

"The eight FOTA teams were invited to attend the meeting to discuss their further proposals for 2010. Unfortunately no discussion was possible because FOTA walked out of the meeting."

The decision by FOTA to walk out of the meeting has not yet been explained, but it has renewed fears that there is still major differences about its path for the future and the FIA's.

Mosley has already told FOTA that he is considering standing again as president in October in light of what he believes were deliberately misleading comments made to the media about a deal they reached last month to avert the threat of a breakaway.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76777

Oh dear...

[Jamie]

FOTA For Ever

I think they maybe the fans dream come true
Now we just need Michael Schumacher to return

[Jamie]

It's really brewing up now. Lets hope for the best beer in 2010

[FerrariFan63]

That's more like it. It was starting to look like FOTA was being a bit too agreeable with the FIA.

I wonder if FOTA's walkout had something to do with their earlier announcement that Mosley wouldn't be involved in the day to day running of F1, and it turned out he is.

[irons_4_ever]

got to say im getting sick of all this, the sports a luaghingstock