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The Oz wrote:woooo Webber!!!! Lets get a race win!!!!YES! Im with you there! Since Lewis has no chance I'll be hoping Webber can do it. COME ON MARK!!
EwmanM wrote:So according to Auntie Beeb:button for a win it is then
Fuel adjusted grid.
1. Jenson Button - lap 17
2. Sebastian Vettel - lap 15
3. Mark Webber - lap 17
4. Rubens Barrichello - lap 16
5. Kimi Raikkonen - lap 17
6. Jarno Trulli - lap 16
7. Felipe Massa - lap 16
8. Nico Rosberg - lap 18
9. Robert Kubica - lap 20
10. Fernando Alonso - lap 14
racechick wrote:Heikki was faster in Australia (quali), Monaco (quali), China (race) and has been faster in Turkey (quali) sofar, so where do you get "comprehensively"?billindenver wrote:[I see your point of course, you being the poster girl for impartiality. I will certainly reexamine my thinking. So after this year, after driving a car basically as bad as button has had when in Honda....and after Button has been given a car as good as Hamilton had in 2007 and 2008....do we compare number of wins to determine which is better or should we count up how many times each took a really good car and stuffed it into a parked car in pit lane? Ran over a car on the straight? Parked it off the pit lane gravel trap? Hit the pit lane speed limiter on accident? I'm just wondering when Button is going to make Lewis level mistakes and cost his team the championship...and when he does, if you will give him the same benefit of the doubt you give Lewis? Only asking so that I can get a better understanding of this blinkered thinking you speak of.You're missing some vital points here (but thats to be expected)
Yes Lewis made errors, he was a rookie, he had a double world champion to contend with for one year, he had competitive ferraris with good drivers in them both years. He did NOT have the car that was easily the class of the field. STILL managed a championship though.
Lewis in his poor car is still punching above the cars weight and comprehensively beating his teammate. What did Button do last year at Honda-oh he got beaten by his team mate and never looked anything.
Take the blinkers off Bill!!
TheOak wrote:Hamilton had a failure in Australia. Crash in Monaco and erratic but fast China race....racechick wrote:Heikki was faster in Australia (quali), Monaco (quali), China (race) and has been faster in Turkey (quali) sofar, so where do you get "comprehensively"?billindenver wrote:[I see your point of course, you being the poster girl for impartiality. I will certainly reexamine my thinking. So after this year, after driving a car basically as bad as button has had when in Honda....and after Button has been given a car as good as Hamilton had in 2007 and 2008....do we compare number of wins to determine which is better or should we count up how many times each took a really good car and stuffed it into a parked car in pit lane? Ran over a car on the straight? Parked it off the pit lane gravel trap? Hit the pit lane speed limiter on accident? I'm just wondering when Button is going to make Lewis level mistakes and cost his team the championship...and when he does, if you will give him the same benefit of the doubt you give Lewis? Only asking so that I can get a better understanding of this blinkered thinking you speak of.You're missing some vital points here (but thats to be expected)
Yes Lewis made errors, he was a rookie, he had a double world champion to contend with for one year, he had competitive ferraris with good drivers in them both years. He did NOT have the car that was easily the class of the field. STILL managed a championship though.
Lewis in his poor car is still punching above the cars weight and comprehensively beating his teammate. What did Button do last year at Honda-oh he got beaten by his team mate and never looked anything.
Take the blinkers off Bill!!
TheOak wrote:Look at the points scores. Monaco Quali Lewis was only in first quali so hardly comparable.racechick wrote:Heikki was faster in Australia (quali), Monaco (quali), China (race) and has been faster in Turkey (quali) sofar, so where do you get "comprehensively"?billindenver wrote:[I see your point of course, you being the poster girl for impartiality. I will certainly reexamine my thinking. So after this year, after driving a car basically as bad as button has had when in Honda....and after Button has been given a car as good as Hamilton had in 2007 and 2008....do we compare number of wins to determine which is better or should we count up how many times each took a really good car and stuffed it into a parked car in pit lane? Ran over a car on the straight? Parked it off the pit lane gravel trap? Hit the pit lane speed limiter on accident? I'm just wondering when Button is going to make Lewis level mistakes and cost his team the championship...and when he does, if you will give him the same benefit of the doubt you give Lewis? Only asking so that I can get a better understanding of this blinkered thinking you speak of.
You're missing some vital points here (but thats to be expected)
Yes Lewis made errors, he was a rookie, he had a double world champion to contend with for one year, he had competitive ferraris with good drivers in them both years. He did NOT have the car that was easily the class of the field. STILL managed a championship though.
Lewis in his poor car is still punching above the cars weight and comprehensively beating his teammate. What did Button do last year at Honda-oh he got beaten by his team mate and never looked anything.
Take the blinkers off Bill!!
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