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[internos2k]

It is truly amazing to me that so many die-hard F1 race enthusiasts can not
see the facts for what they are without adding personal bias. Based on the
facts I feel that Lewis did make a bad decision by not following team orders,
but Alonso made it worse by making Q3 his own personal agenda to punish
Hamilton. Alonso was rightly punished for his actions, he was wrong. We
have all heard that two wrongs don't make a right. Many of you are probably
wondering what I am talking about, so here are the facts that I observed
during Q3.

Hamilton started Q3 directly in front of Alonso. For the 1st lap they were
within 1 second of each other. At the start of the second lap, Alonso drops
off of the pace which makes it look like Hamilton is pulling away. He drops
so far off of the pace that he ends up holding up Kimi. Alonso, is driving
so slowly up to the 1st pit stop that his time ranked in 8th place. Also,
just before the first pit stop he had slowed so much that he let Kimi go by.
I have never seen this lack of performance from Alonso in the past 3 years.
As he entered the pit, he took his time with no since of urgency. While in
the pit, you can see him feverishly moving his head and hands as he was
talking to his team on the pit wall, then the camera cuts to the guy on the
lollipop holding him in the pit and then starting the countdown. When he
finally exited the pit, Hamilton entered approx. 10 seconds behind him.
Mission Accomplished! At the start of the 2nd lap, Alonso wanted to get
Hamilton behind him so that he could execute his premeditated plan. He did
everything he could to make that happen. I'm also certain that it was his
idea to be held in the pit until Hamilton was within 10 seconds of him. This
means that Hamilton was about to put Alonso one lap down. This is the 2 time
world champion and a rookie is about to put a lap on him in the final
qualifying session? Alonso didn't have any mechanical issues causing him to
drive that far off of the pace. Finally, the last pit stop. Hamilton is
waiting behind Alonso in the pit. During this pit stop, the team is finished
with their work and the lollipop is still down, no one is doing anything to
his car, but the lollipop is down and Hamilton waiting. Then the lollipop
comes up and Alonso still doesn't move, he waits, and additional 10 seconds.
The next thing we see is Alonso putting down his fastest lap of the session,
the first time he drove at 100% the entire 15 minutes. The sad thing is, he
only beat Hamilton's time by 1 tenth. Remember, Hamilton did a 1.19:3 in Q2.
I'm sure he would have put up the same number or better if Alonso hadn't been
pouting and trying to get revenge on Hamilton.

I have read many things out here saying that Hamilton is a cry baby and
Alonso didn't deserve to be punished. From the facts that I saw, Alonso got
off easy, because this was intentional and premeditated. He made the entire
Q3 session a vendetta against Hamilton. If you are the 2 time world
champion, beat Hamilton straight up. Out drive him with your skill and
experience. Obviously, Alonso can't do that and has to resort to tactics
such as what we saw in Hungry. It is really sad and depressing to see this
type thing taking place in F1 and especially within one team.

This is what i mean for a perfect analysis

[aboldero]

thanks biggman, this is EXACTLY the point i have been making in three different threads. i admit i AM an LH fan, but i have tried to be totally unbiased and you have just said what i have been saying.

[bonetista]

Hamilton is a turtle without Alonso`s telemetries and car set ups... you won`t admit It, but you suffer it in silence HAHAHAHA

¡¡ALONSO CAMPEON!!

[ArtHowe]

Hamilton is a turtle without Alonso`s telemetries and car set ups... you won`t admit It, but you suffer it in silence HAHAHAHA

¡¡ALONSO CAMPEON!!

Bonehead, you're doing the mad scientist bit again. Quit with the HAHAHAHAHA, try a HOHOHOHOHO occasionally or, better still, write something without any crap at the end... or middle or beginning for that matter.

[aboldero]

no crap in what he writes??? that would leave blank posts wouldn't it??? LMAO

[ArtHowe]

We can always hope Aboldero. As far as the Spanish contingent are concerned they seem to see Hamilton as a threat to the only half decent F1 driver they have produced. Can you think of another one? Of course, Hamilton IS a threat so I can't blame them for being concerned. And obviously, from here on in, we'll find out if Hamilton needs Alonso to set up his car for him because Alonso would probably cut the brake hoses if he did. HEHEHEHEHE.

[stonemonkey]

I'm confused by these car set up and telemetry statements, from their driving styles and behaviour of the car on the track they obviously are not the same, one big mistake Hamilton has made this year is to not attend the Silverstone test session and that is one race that he did depend on Alonsos setup and telemetry.

Or have I missed something?

[aboldero]

no stonemonkey, you are absolutely right..

FA likes a car which tends to understeer, LH likes the car to oversteer, fairly different setups i think... but the spanish guys in the forum obviously dont notice that..

[welshie]

LH likes oversteer? Are you joking?!! He LOVES oversteer!!

There is no doubt that the fundamentals of the car will be similar between LH and FA, but as for tuning the car to suit driving style . . . completely different!!

A lot of people are saying where would Lewis be without FA on the team. Well I can tell you, he'd be doing just as well!! Just because FA has 2 WC's under his belt, it doesn't make him a set-up god! LH would be just as good with any other driver in the field who has any F1 experience under their belt!

[Stephen]

Ah, but Fernando Alonso won't share his setup information with Hamilton. Lewis has managed to get where he is now without any help from the two times World Champion.

[welshie]

Even better!

[stonemonkey]

LH likes oversteer? Are you joking?!! He LOVES oversteer!!

And he handles it perfectly, I was shocked to see his cornering in his first race in Australia and thought it might not be long before changes his mind but even in Monaco he was spot on.

Oh and about LH never having gone defensive, have you forgotten about Massa in Malaysia?

[welshie]

LH likes oversteer? Are you joking?!! He LOVES oversteer!!

And he handles it perfectly, I was shocked to see his cornering in his first race in Australia and thought it might not be long before changes his mind but even in Monaco he was spot on.

I have to be honest, there were a few instances that I thought Lewis was gonna loose the car at Monaco. The way he was sliding around the pool section way absolutely astonishing, especially with the speed he carrying not just into - but throughout the section

[stonemonkey]

I have to be honest, there were a few instances that I thought Lewis was gonna loose the car at Monaco. The way he was sliding around the pool section way absolutely astonishing, especially with the speed he carrying not just into - but throughout the section

Yeah, but if you lose it at all in monaco you really lose it, he didn't.

[aboldero]

the team share the info, even if FA wont talk to LH, the engineers share the info, thats half FA's problem, he wants LH's info without giving his back...