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[Fact Man]

This is from Eurosport and I quote:

"And on to McLaren. They really got themselves in a muddle qualifying didn't they? I know teams are looking for a clear track but sometimes they sit in the box for a bit longer than I'd expect. And for sure they screwed themselves over. But to lose all of their Constructors' championship points too? I just don't understand that.

Every team does it - bringing two cars in at the same time and inevitably delaying one driver. At the Nurburgring both David and I lost our last qualifying laps because the team weren't organised in that kind of situation and we didn't get out in time.

When you go to such extreme margins and try to leave the pits with say a minute and 30 to go when you know it takes a minute and 25 to do a lap, you're always taking a risk, and sometimes you screw yourselves.

I just don't understand the points penalty though. People have tried to explain it to me but I just don't get it. You screw yourself over and then get penalised for it. It's crazy.

It won't make any difference to the outcome of the championship though. McLaren have been the best team this year with the best car and the best drivers. You could re-run this year a hundred times and McLaren would still win it every time.

I just don't understand what the stewards were doing? One team drops the ball, ruins their own guy's chances of getting in a final lap and the team get punished? How does that work? It happens to teams all the way down the grid but they don't get their points taken away. It's just baffled me."

I tend to agree with Mark on this whole situation. should other teams get penalized from now on for doing what Mclaren did on Saturday? And what about the past, why this time and with Mclaren.

As for FA/LH, I guess they were both wrong. Those who defend one over the other, now that things have become more clear, are not seeing the whole picture. It is not about FA and LH. It's about the FIA/Stewards influencing the outcome of a race. I guess that's a danger to the future if F1.

[nick_of_time]

Becareful, duck Idoiit Assholesation (FIA) you are SCREWing the sport for a disgusting person.

[deMuRe]

Looks like Webber has his eye on FA's drive next season...

[Selcouth_Feline]

The difference between McLaren and other teams is that the stewards felt it was done on purpose, whereas with other teams, it was just a screw-up and not anything malicious. It was perceived not that McLaren "dropped the ball", but that part of the team purposely held their team-mate up.

[alonso_campeon]

I agree...

[Flyer23]

Who cares what Webber thinks? When he wins a race I might listen but until then not a chance.......

[ArtHowe]

So why should anyone listen to you Flyer? At least Webber is an F1 driver. A little closer to the action than you are ever likely to be.

[8-ball]

Who cares what Webber thinks? When he wins a race I might listen but until then not a chance.......

mark webber is a good driver that has had to drive crap cars. He managed to get that woeful Williams car in the last part of qualifying time and time again last year

[Jabberwocky]

Saying that I expected more from the redbull this year

[welshie]

Saying that I expected more from the redbull this year

I know what you mean with it being a Newey car. But it's also a brand new car, so it will take this year for everyone in the team to get used to it. Could be one to watch in '08

[aboldero]

why are so many people.. ie. flyer23 and alonso_campeon so worried about what people have achieved???

Alonso_campeon thinks no-one is worthy of being compared to FA unless they are a double champion, but does this work both ways? i.e. FA not to be compared to Schumacher, senna, prost, piquet, etc. as they all have MORE championships than him??

Flyer23 says MW can't be listened to as he hasn't won any races..

surely ALL F1 drivers have ultimately got there on merit and are able to be compared with thier contemporaries? or am i wrong? and since they got there on merit and ability, and they sepnd their lives in the F1 paddock, they are entitled to express an informed opinon, even more than an of us!!!!