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[Ferrari4me]

If Max and Bernie believe that F1 will be the same without prominent OEM’s like Ferrari, Renault, BMW etc. they must be bluffing themselves. F1 is the pinnacle of automotive engineering and the incubator of technology that ultimately manifest in our road cars. Traction control, ABS, paddle shift gearshift, etc. are only a few. F1 is therefore an extension of the R&D function of the OEM’s.
The OEM’s must be allowed to decide and/or suggest the future of the sport! It is time that Max and Bernie realise that Formula one is nothing without public support.
I don’t think that a future without the OEM’s and their loyal supporters would attract meaningful sponsorship either.
I for one would seriously consider boycotting those products associated with Max & Bernie’s future mediocre “Formula”.
I call on all Formula one supporters to unite in one huge tsunami of revolt against those who are about to destroy our beloved sport!

[Jensonb]

Well if we're letting the Original Equipment Manufacturers dictate the rules, let's start asking the seatbelt, brake, electronics etc. manufacturers what they think too, why should the engine makers get all the fun?

Never mind those privateers, who needs them?

[welshie]

I don't think formula 1 adds a great deal of technology to road cars, certainly not in the same way they did anyway!

[Ferrari4me]

The OEM’s is the automotive industry! Without OEM’s we won’t have seatbelt, exhaust, tyre, etc. suppliers!
Formula one is the ultimate motorsport event! Surely we can’t expect that this formula will be the same without the OEM’s and patrons the motor industry!
Those privateers also need the OEM’s or would we like to see that the engine in my BMW M6 is more advanced than those power plants developed by the renegades that believe Formula one is about privateers! I have the ultimate respect and admiration for Ross Brawn but even Ross would agree that without the OEM’s he would not be able to built his masterpieces.
Ferrari is the first name that comes to mind when the topic of motorsport is mentioned! It is important to note that it is not only Ferrari that has threatened to withdraw, BMW, Renault, Red Bull and Toyota feels the same!
Formula one is not an economy run; it is the future technology that will be introduced to our road cars! How can we introduce inherently unsafe protocol such as limiting testing and pre-assessment of newly developed components before deployment on race day?

[welshie]

I'm sorry fella, but the future of the automotive industry is not 500bhp V10 petrol engines. . . . . Or V8's for that matter. Mercedes put $1m an hour into R&D for their road cars. This far surpasses anything in F1

[Ferrari4me]

I am an engineer who have been involved in the industry all my working life and can assure you that Mercedes, BMW, Ferrari and all those manufacturers who are involve with Formula one have passed on/deployed F1 technology in their road cars. The most prestigious team and project at Mercedes is the F1 engine program….ask any one at Stuttgart!

The 500Hp V10 engine in my car originates from the V10 BMW Formula one program! The traction control, F1 style (need I say more!) gearshift in my M6 and more, and more! This phenomenon has also forced the non participative OEM’s to follow suit and today “F1 Style gearshift” is even associated with the likes of Ford, VW….and even Kia!

The future of high performance cars will involve force-feed technology as applied to small bore engines….a return of the 1500cc four cylinder turbo charged engines of the 80’s perhaps. I just don’t think petrol heads like me are ready for silent battery powered F1 cars or even low revving oil burners Le Mans style!

[Jensonb]

Car Manufacturers do not own Formula One. It does not exist for their ends. Whilst they undeniably have a place in Formula One and are massively important to Formula One, F1 is not theirs and they do not define it entirely.

[welshie]

I am also an engineer and I have no doubt about the technology that has filtered down from Formula 1 in the past. I want nothing more than to be working on high performance petrol powered cars. However this is not the way the industry is heading.

[Ferrari4me]

Amen without fan/public support F1 will not exist and hopefully you would agree that the dictatorship of Max and even Bernie’s contribution…or lack thereof can not be tolerated any more!

[Robert182]

If Max and Bernie believe that F1 will be the same without prominent OEM’s like Ferrari, Renault, BMW etc. they must be bluffing themselves. F1 is the pinnacle of automotive engineering and the incubator of technology that ultimately manifest in our road cars. Traction control, ABS, paddle shift gearshift, etc. are only a few. F1 is therefore an extension of the R&D function of the OEM’s.
The OEM’s must be allowed to decide and/or suggest the future of the sport! It is time that Max and Bernie realise that Formula one is nothing without public support.
I don’t think that a future without the OEM’s and their loyal supporters would attract meaningful sponsorship either.
I for one would seriously consider boycotting those products associated with Max & Bernie’s future mediocre “Formula”.
I call on all Formula one supporters to unite in one huge tsunami of revolt against those who are about to destroy our beloved sport!

100% agree

[Ferrari4me]

Yes to bad and therefore we need to mothball our beauties for future enjoyment and join the play-station 3 generation to do the F1 thing! Just can’t imagine a battery powered F1/supercar!

[yamashek]

If Max and Bernie believe that F1 will be the same without prominent OEM’s like Ferrari, Renault, BMW etc. they must be bluffing themselves. F1 is the pinnacle of automotive engineering and the incubator of technology that ultimately manifest in our road cars. Traction control, ABS, paddle shift gearshift, etc. are only a few. F1 is therefore an extension of the R&D function of the OEM’s.
The OEM’s must be allowed to decide and/or suggest the future of the sport! It is time that Max and Bernie realise that Formula one is nothing without public support.
I don’t think that a future without the OEM’s and their loyal supporters would attract meaningful sponsorship either.
I for one would seriously consider boycotting those products associated with Max & Bernie’s future mediocre “Formula”.
I call on all Formula one supporters to unite in one huge tsunami of revolt against those who are about to destroy our beloved sport!

100% agree

i agree with it too

MM and BE need some major attitude adjustment.

[csrracer]

The way I see it :
If you took all the F1 Teams and stuck them in a different series that was called " Formula whatever"
Then you left a bunch of Budget capped non established Teams Under "F1" or "Max and Bernie's F1"
The Majority of the fans will follow "Formula Whatever" I don't know any F1 fans that watch the races
to see Bernie or Max. We watch the races to see Ferrari, Mclaren, BMW, Renault etc. The more large car companies the better. Not that the other teams are bad, but no one will watch F1 if it comes down to Force India vs Super Aguri.
If Braun was winning by beating force India and Red Bull all running the same engines, it wouldn't be as big as an accomplishment, as them winning by beating Ferrari, Mclaren, Renault, and BMW. We watch F1 because the Big teams are there, even if we're cheering for Braun or RBR , it's because we want the underdog to win.

[Ferrari4me]

Amen!
They should stop the budget cap nonsense and simply the technical landscape/rules!
The cost driver in Formula one is predominantly aerodynamic development. Huge initial capital investment in wind tunnels and seriously high running cost (by the hour!). We need to return to kiss (keep it simple stupid) technology and promote more mechanical grip. Ultra wide slicks and huge front and rear wings….maximum frontal area and huge wing angles. This will negate the effect of sophisticated aerodynamics and hundreds of millions invested in wind tunnel evaluations. This strategy will reward suspension, power plant, gearbox and drive train efficiency and most importantly driver skills.