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[texasmr2]

You call me a kid, I'll call you old. Seems fair to me.

Did you NOT HEAR what I asked of you, are you deaf?? Try to circumvent and ignore my request once more and you will have to pay the piper. If you think I'm kidding try me ok!

tex

Well, no. Cos it's text. But yes, I did read it. And I wouldn't have said any more, but I'm getting pretty sick of people on this forum belittling me for my youth and simply being let away with it.

Dude its the internet which is full of keyboard warriors. Try not to take everything said towards you in a negative way, stop and think about it before you start typing a reply. Yes I understand we are both men and sometimes that is difficult and I do not enjoy being the bad man because that is not who I am yet taking a deep breath and possibly a shot may help.

To summarize I'm counting on you man and I know you will not let me down .

tex

[Hexagram]

You can't say Brawn will have achived more on paper based on once Possible WDC.

When Mclaren have been a front running team for almost every year with that Merc Engine infact after the win in 98 - 04 was the only year we finished below 3rd.

And Mika win in 98 with a merc 99 with a merc and lewis win in 2008 with a merc.

So its a un-researched comment.

I never said McLaren have not been a front running team. Your going 11 to 12 seasons ago for your 98 & 99 championships there mate. I also said McLaren have only one WDC which refers to Lewis's in 2008. My comment was referring to the last 10 seasons when this season ends.

If Brawn win the WDC & WCC this year they will have on paper in terms of "championships" in F1 with a Mercedes engine more than what Mclaren have had in the last 10 seasons. That is in terms of "Championships" that doesn't include "Pole Positions", "Wins" or "Fastest Laps".

I hope that is enough clarification for you of what I said. Nothing I said was statistically incorrect, nothing I said was intended to provoke you guys. I was trying to add to the conversation and gives reasons why Mercedes should get their badge on the Brawn GP car.

If me saying that has offended you or any other McLaren fan on the form then I apologise. If you have any future issues with my comments send me a pm and I will edit them.

[Gaz]

You can't say Brawn will have achived more on paper based on once Possible WDC.

When Mclaren have been a front running team for almost every year with that Merc Engine infact after the win in 98 - 04 was the only year we finished below 3rd.

And Mika win in 98 with a merc 99 with a merc and lewis win in 2008 with a merc.

So its a un-researched comment.

I never said McLaren have not been a front running team. Your going 11 to 12 seasons ago for your 98 & 99 championships there mate. I also said McLaren have only one WDC which refers to Lewis's in 2008. My comment was referring to the last 10 seasons when this season ends.

If Brawn win the WDC & WCC this year they will have on paper in terms of "championships" in F1 with a Mercedes engine more than what Mclaren have had in the last 10 seasons. That is in terms of "Championships" that doesn't include "Pole Positions", "Wins" or "Fastest Laps".

I hope that is enough clarification for you of what I said. Nothing I said was statistically incorrect, nothing I said was intended to provoke you guys. I was trying to add to the conversation and gives reasons why Mercedes should get their badge on the Brawn GP car.

If me saying that has offended you or any other McLaren fan on the form then I apologise. If you have any future issues with my comments send me a pm and I will edit them.

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

[Hexagram]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

You know the old Murray Walker saying don't you?

"Anything can happen in f1, and it usually does!"

Edit: You seem to be forgetting were counting from zero here. 0 - 9 is ten seasons mate!

[Denthúl]

You can't say Brawn will have achived more on paper based on once Possible WDC.

When Mclaren have been a front running team for almost every year with that Merc Engine infact after the win in 98 - 04 was the only year we finished below 3rd.

And Mika win in 98 with a merc 99 with a merc and lewis win in 2008 with a merc.

So its a un-researched comment.

I never said McLaren have not been a front running team. Your going 11 to 12 seasons ago for your 98 & 99 championships there mate. I also said McLaren have only one WDC which refers to Lewis's in 2008. My comment was referring to the last 10 seasons when this season ends.

If Brawn win the WDC & WCC this year they will have on paper in terms of "championships" in F1 with a Mercedes engine more than what Mclaren have had in the last 10 seasons. That is in terms of "Championships" that doesn't include "Pole Positions", "Wins" or "Fastest Laps".

I hope that is enough clarification for you of what I said. Nothing I said was statistically incorrect, nothing I said was intended to provoke you guys. I was trying to add to the conversation and gives reasons why Mercedes should get their badge on the Brawn GP car.

If me saying that has offended you or any other McLaren fan on the form then I apologise. If you have any future issues with my comments send me a pm and I will edit them.

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

McLaren would have 1999 and 2009 WDCs to their name. Brawn would have both the 2009 WDC and WCC to their name. So it'd be the same.

[Jensonb]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

[Gaz]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

[Jensonb]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

Huh? Ferrari won the 07 WCC. Even if Macca hadn't of been DQ'd hey would have.

[Gilles 27]

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

[Gaz]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

Huh? Ferrari won the 07 WCC. Even if Macca hadn't of been DQ'd hey would have.

thats what i'm saying.

statistically speaking they scored the most points

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

No it was because of spygate we lost the points

[Jensonb]

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

Yes.

I mean, i do know where you're coming from Longbow and I accept why you guys are annoyed about that, but in the cold light of day, it doesn't count.

No it was because of spygate we lost the points

You misunderstand. he means even without McLaren being DQ'd over Spygate, they would not have been WCC because of the points thye lost over the Hungary issue.

Let's try not to make this thread be about 2007. The matter at hand is the Merc logo. I see no reason not to put it on the engine cover, where the Honda logo was on the Marlboro McLaren-Hondas.

[Denthúl]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

Huh? Ferrari won the 07 WCC. Even if Macca hadn't of been DQ'd hey would have.

thats what i'm saying.

statistically speaking they scored the most points

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

No it was because of spygate we lost the points

Spygate lost the team all of the points. However, without Spygate, the team would have finished behind Ferrari. Had they not been stripped of points at Hungary, they would then have won the WCC.

Interestingly, I'm not sure why they lost WCC points for Hungary...

[Frosty]

I'm still waiting for either Hamilton, Kovalainen or Whitmarsh to come out and say "this track should suit our car".

"Monaco is going to be different and we are going to be strong. We still have loads of work, it's not going to be magic, but we are definitely going to be stronger there and we are going to keep pushing this car to make it better. Monaco is a circuit that will suit us and we've got great drivers - Lewis is mega there."

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2009/05/ ... whitmarsh/

That good enough?

[Gaz]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

Huh? Ferrari won the 07 WCC. Even if Macca hadn't of been DQ'd hey would have.

thats what i'm saying.

statistically speaking they scored the most points

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

No it was because of spygate we lost the points

Spygate lost the team all of the points. However, without Spygate, the team would have finished behind Ferrari. Had they not been stripped of points at Hungary, they would then have won the WCC.

Interestingly, I'm not sure why they lost WCC points for Hungary...

True, it was because of the alonso stoping in the pits to block hamilton crap.

[Denthúl]

no they won't

Mclaren will have 09, 99 WDC

Brawn might have 2009

I'm thinking he meant more statistically speaking.

Edit: Also, you all keep saying 09 WDC for McLaren, it's 08.

Tell you what 07 WCC 99, 08 WDC

statistically speaking

Huh? Ferrari won the 07 WCC. Even if Macca hadn't of been DQ'd hey would have.

thats what i'm saying.

statistically speaking they scored the most points

Yup tis true. Ferrari won the WCC in 2007 because of the points dropped at Hungary after the Ham boy - Alonso qualifying nonsense.

No it was because of spygate we lost the points

Spygate lost the team all of the points. However, without Spygate, the team would have finished behind Ferrari. Had they not been stripped of points at Hungary, they would then have won the WCC.

Interestingly, I'm not sure why they lost WCC points for Hungary...

True, it was because of the alonso stoping in the pits to block hamilton crap.

I know what caused it, but I don't know why that penalty was selected. Usually, holding up another driver in qualifying simply results in a grid-drop...