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[welshie]

Errr no, the only person telling him not to go was his personal trainer!

[darwin dali]

An example: some years ago, it happend to Ferrari, during the race, to have in the pits, at the same time, MS an RB. Whi didn't FIA acted in those circumstancies as acted on saturday?

Because it was not DELIBERATE!!!! Geez!

[internos2k]

when it happened at ferrari, it was due to a cockup, the team acted as quickly as possible and the instant the lollipop was raised the driver pulled out (barrichello if i remember) and then the other driver got into the pit.

the difference is that when the stop was complete, lollipop raised and the driver told to leave, he refused to do so.

the team told FA when he was coming into the pit that he would be held for 20 seconds, this is what the team did, but he stayed stationary for another 10, despite verbal and visual orders from the team to move his bottom out of there.

Yes, i know it, but the FIA could punish Ferrari because "deliberately" stopped RB, whi not? They could call him back one lap later, but they didn't. About the team it was the same situation. What i mean is that NEVER FIA took decision in order to estabilish a correct behaviour internal to the team. My worry is that what happened on saturday could be used against other teams, in similar circumstancies, but so far it happened onli to McLaren. On saturday, in front of the judges and the press, RD tried to defend FA, not LH. Whi? And the Massa accident? Whi not punish Ferrari also, because "deliberately" stopped the driver and sent him on the track before without fuel, then with cold tyres without chance to gain one of the first ten places? In other words, the FIA must stay away from what internally happens in qualifyng to the teams. If the team can't more control the situations, punish the team. The team is unable to say to FA that that behaviout is unfair? Well, punish the team! Do you agree?

[ArtHowe]

Alonso, with or without the collusion of Dennis, willfully blocked his team mates attempt at a flying lap by parking in front of him, blocking his path. I seem to remember Schumacher incurring a penalty for parking his car at Rascasse during Monte Carlo qualifying. He was sent to the back of the grid. Alonso, effectively, did the same thing but was only demoted five grid positions. He has nothing to bleat and whine about. He should grow up.

[internos2k]

OK, i give up!

[alonso_campeon]

The one who has to grow up is LH, he is crying baby and even worst he is a spolied crying baby. Man learn how to win itn the road!!! but no worries, Alonso will teach him in Turkey...

[alonso_campeon]

u see as i told u, ITS IMPOSIBLE to talk with them...

[ArtHowe]

Is whining the national sport in Spain or something? Perhaps you should campaign for whining to become an Olympic event... easy medals for Spain.

[internos2k]

Ok, let me try to explane again what i mean, my bad english doesn't support me as i would like to. Ok Alonso has deliberatly stopped...ok. Lets' talk GENERALLY about what happened on saturday, and about the teams. Theoretically, now, the FIA, at the end of every qualifying session, should aquire ALL the team radio recording in order to be sure that there is not any team which favourites a driver or another? Is that correct, or the "new rule" is to be considered valid just for last saturday and just for McLaren? As we all have seen, the FIA called RD, LH, and FA in front of the judges because what LH said at the press conferences. Also, them discovered this "severe" breach of the sporting code casually. But FIA must DISCOVER by himselfs the breaches of the code, not casually, the FIA shoudn't wait that LH talks so or to see RD angry on the PITS. What about it?

[darwin dali]

FA's action was so blatant and clearly shown on TV, the stewards would have investigated anyway.

[ArtHowe]

Ok, let's give the FIA a drive through penalty or something. The fact remains that it was the stewards not the FIA, who investigated and demoted Alonso.

[internos2k]

Sorry, but... what's that logo in the top of this document?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/61373

[internos2k]

FA's action was so blatant and clearly shown on TV, the stewards would have investigated anyway.

I agree, but wait still an answer to my question: should or shouldn't FIA investigate all the teams during qualifying?

[internos2k]

An example: a car crashes and breaks all the front. By consequence, appears, internally, an illegal device as mass damper, now visible by outside. Clearly the team will be punished. But, as we all know, all the cars are checked every race week end, to prevent cheats. The stewards have no need to wait that a car crashes and breaks in every part to see wat's inside. Also? Is not this the same problem?

[ArtHowe]

No