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[ArtHowe]

And I agree with everything you just said.

[racechick]

I think that as a TEAM leader, Hamilton probably has more essential interpersonal skills than Alonso has displayed to this point. I'm sorry, but I can't agree that Alonso is blessed with any leadership skills. Ok, I might agree with you regarding Hamilton's off-season experience but his current performance suggests that this will be something that he adapts to with ease. If he doesn't perhaps Alonso can continue to justify his paycheck by doing it while the champion relaxes.

Well said! what is all this rubbish from that other guy that lewis cant set up a car? the only time he got it wrong was silverstone. Who cant adapt to the tyres? Who cant stay on the track? Who keeps having mardies (northern expression for childish tantrums)? If he wants to be team leader he should act like one! start driving faster and stop dicking around.

[racechick]

PS I meant alonso in that last bit of course He's the one who should shut up and put up.

[Phil.T.Ho]

In the interest of the same LH, i think is better if he stays with an expert team mate for some seasons, to learn how to setup the car by himself, to help the team to delelope the car and to learn the thousands of tricks of the F1. He can too win this WC, but then it could be the last time of his so young career. Better wait and acquire all the missing skills, by my point of view.

and a very nice point of view it is

[Phil.T.Ho]

PS I meant alonso in that last bit of course He's the one who should shut up and put up.

he he...we know.....but its still 15 points down the pan !!!

[bmwpower]

A resounding silence was the answer.

That's funny , you sitting there for 8 minutes waiting for my reply. LOL

BMW, when did he first drive in a championship F1 event? Is this his rookie season? Is he leading the championship? How many podiums has he had out of how many races?

Never said he didn't do all that stuff. Never said LH wasn't a rookie, just said Alonso is more of a rookie WITH McLaren then LH. BTW, this is a discussion board, not a chatroom, people have other things to do instead of sitting in a basement waiting for replie. Still funny, sitting there for 8 minutes

Of course. I used Senna vs. Prost as an example of the old F1, without traction control, launch control, with the gears far from the wheel and much more... I too think that FA is giving to LH just what the team pretends he gives, nothing else. But this little bit has been important, so far. Is quite normal that a driver with so many years of XPerience is more used to find quicker the setup, to talk with the engineers about a specific technical problem.... But is not a matter of skills, is a matter of time and to be used to, and in his case, will be a very very short time, this is my opinion.

And I agree with everything you just said.

So then, do we agreed that LH, as a rookie, can't setup his car better then Alonso??

[Phil.T.Ho]

I absolutely agree Internos. I don't, however, think that Alonso is a particularly generous teacher and, if all he can teach him is gamesmanship, I think Hamilton should continue to learn on his own. I don't recall saying that he thinks he has nothing to learn. In fact, I recall on several occasions recently when he has referred to the fact that he is still learning. Prost was not driving a 2007 McLaren and it is totally irrelevant to today, as you must agree. If the two times world champion is behind at this stage then it, inevitably and without question, attests to the quality of the man who is leading the championship. My problem is that there are those on this forum who, for one reason or another, deny Hamilton the kudos that is rightfully his.

im 100% behind you!!!

[bmwpower]

My problem is that there are those on this forum who, for one reason or another, deny Hamilton the kudos that is rightfully his.

I don't think anyone is denying kudos to LH. As a rookie, he's better then expected, he's leading the World Championship. But like all drivers, each of them has a weakness and since this thread is reserved for LH, so people are pointing out what his weakness is. Its not secret he has more trouble then Alonso in setting up the car, because he's a rookie, this is in no way a personal attack on him, its just the fact. Most of the negative things discussed about him right now has to do with what happened this weekend and what's been brewing in the McLaren camp. You can argue all you want about who's fault or who started, but the fact is it takes two people to fight. If LH wants to be a leader, just ignore Alonso, listen team instructions, and race, don't get draw into a "he said, she said" thing with Alonso and don't piss off your boss, RD.

[ArtHowe]

Bmwpower wrote:

So then, do we agreed that LH, as a rookie, can't setup his car better then Alonso??

All this crap about Hamilton's car setup skills is just blowing smoke and sour grapes. He is in his rookie season and no one in their right mind would expect him to have everything down pat. To this point he has proven his ability to learn extremely quickly. He has proven that he is focused and highly motivated. He has proven that he won't put up with crap from anyone and that his driving ability is second to none. He does't come from a wealthy background and has advanced his career every step of the way purely on commitment and ability. Anyone who detracts from his recent achievements is simply wrong-minded or malicious.

[racechick]

Very well said

[bmwpower]

All this crap about Hamilton's car setup skills is just blowing smoke and sour grapes. He is in his rookie season and no one in their right mind would expect him to have everything down pat.

So which one is it?? You said people are blowing smoke because LH can't setup his car better then FA, yet then you contradict yourself by say :

He is in his rookie season and no one in their right mind would expect him to have everything down pat.

Like I said before, AS A ROOKIE, LH has a harder time then Alonso in setups, no one is taking away his achievements, his accomplishments, and . So me any posts by anyone that said all his wins this year wasn't deserving (except the Hungarian GP).

He does't come from a wealthy background and has advanced his career every step of the way purely on commitment and ability.

True but also with RD's deep pockets, few drivers can say they were handed the key to the empire as a boy.

[ArtHowe]

I think it had more to do the fact that his father worked three jobs.

Where, exactly, is the contradiction in your first two quotes? You're just inventing non-existent arguments. What's your problem?

[alonso_campeon]

He didnt deserve that victory, thats all!!!

[aboldero]

LH may have been signed by ron dennis 8 years ago, but that does not make him less of a rookie with the team, he was not a regular test driver for the team!! he did not spend every week working with the team, or visiting the team!!

McLaren bankrolled his f3 and gp2 drives, thats all. he had 1 test day with the team last year, and one a couple of years ago (5 laps) for winning the young driver award, that is his total McLaren experience in F1 before he and alonso started working with the team in december.

anyone that says hamilton has reached his peak is talking crap, he is learning FAST, and could well dominate f1 in the years to come, he is showing alonso, double world champion, with 5 years F1 experience how to do it more often than not, and this IS his first season. He does more laps in one session on friday morning than his total F1 driving experience before he and alonso started.

[internos2k]

He didnt deserve that victory, thats all!!!

Maybe yes, maybe not. What's sure is that Alonso didn't deserve to start from sixth position on the grid, it's simply unacceptable for everyone loves this sport! My team is Ferrari, but make start alonso from the third row, and moreover with no reason, has been a damage for the show and for the sport, because i love the races before than Ferrari, and they stolen to the show an important star of the race, with no reason.