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[Gaz]

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Not sure about the fuel ban like the idea of quai being equal but i always liked the idea of the exciment pit stop stratagy gives.

[Juliet P]

Fuel and tyre pitstop strategies were the only thing that prevented the Bahrain GP from being a complete snooze-fest. I think removing refuelling is a big mistake.

[EwanM]

I'd like to see the refuelling ban be used in conjunction with a banning of the 'fuel saving' engine setting systems - then it'd all be on the drivers to drive economically when they need too, rather than just flicking a switch and having the job done for them.

As for tyres, well, i think it'd be good if they were able to last a whole race but changes were still allowed; then we'd get some drivers stopping and bombing it round on fresh tyres to make up for the time lost in the pits... this business of using two compounds in the races does provide a good twist but it's so contradictory to the whole cost cutting idea.

Formula One has always been one big contradiction.
However I do agree with what you are saying, it is probably more Green if Formula One goes for the ban on fuel. I mean some of the best races were won on tyre saving back in the day.

Also we'd get rid of this bullpoo excuse for a qualifying system, whereby you don't need to be the fastest to be on pole.

[Michael12]

I disagree with this Idea. If they are going to ban refueling then make standardised cars so each driver has equal equipment similar to A1GP.
The reason I say this is because, If a Team A produces a dominant car, then Qualifying will determine the race winner. Weekend after weekend we will see the same cars at the top in both Qualifying and the race, the only thing shaking things up would be the chance of car failures be it through engine or driver error.

Fuel Loads allow for Mixed up grids, and strategy can compensate for inferior machinery. This season Brawn has been dominant. The only thing that Kept them from Pole in China and Bahrain were the audacious strategies introduced by Renault, Red Bull and Toyota.

Look at the Tyre changing Ban they introduced in 2005, complete disaster as races started well then faded dramatically as teams sought to conserve tyres toward the end or were rather forced to save tyres.

Refueling can make or break a race strategy especially in changeable weather conditions, It Mixes the grid up and makes things less predictable. Refueling was the only thing that stopped Bahrain from simply being a Brawn procession.

[FerrariFan63]

Knowing the FIA - this will happen.

People will notice that the racing has become less interesting as there are fewer variables. So, the FIA will bring in a rule like this one.

All cars must carry additional ballast over and above the minimum weight. The amount of ballast a car must carry over a certain number of laps must add up to a prescribed total for the whole race measured in grams/lap. So, if cars start out heavier than average, then they can take some weight off for the later period of the race, and vice versa. You'd then get lots of racing, as the lighter cars at the beginning would probably (all else being equal) get ahead, but then become heavier later in the race, and have to defend against lighter cars later on. You could also say that if the race is stopped early, or hits the two hour limit, then the rule won't apply. So, in cases of uncertain weather, you could have smaller teams deciding to go unfeasibly light hoping for a short race, but if their gamble doesn't work out, they'd have to do the later laps with huge amounts of weight on.

[cap-dude]

As EwmanM already said, it will get rid of this bull poo quali format. I want to see cars on fumes, fighting for pole on pure pace. Not who has the most fuel and us having to figure out who was actually quickest. Thats not racing.


I think a few people need to realise, pit stops are far from gone. Drivers will have to change tyres still, which brings me one question. Do they still need to use both sets in one race. Still, tyre changes are much better in terms of strategy and racing. It'll be like the good ol days again were we see drivers trying to go longer than they really should on a set of tyres etc.

My only question is this. The fuel tanks will need to be much larger. They should decrease the race distance anyway to help a little. But many teams had to reduce the size of the tanks to make room for KERS. Again, KERS showing what a useless pile of unwanted crap it really is. But still, I get the feeling the fuel tank will provide some debate somewhere along the line.

Anyways, it also means less driver excuses. Drivers won't be able to hide behind the old, the car on front of me was heavy and it lost me time, or my car was heavy and thats why I was slow. Instead they're all sent out there and its up to the driver himself. No excuses, just racing. You loss out, it's your fault, do better.

[Denthúl]

As EwmanM already said, it will get rid of this bull poo quali format. I want to see cars on fumes, fighting for pole on pure pace. Not who has the most fuel and us having to figure out who was actually quickest. Thats not racing.


I think a few people need to realise, pit stops are far from gone. Drivers will have to change tyres still, which brings me one question. Do they still need to use both sets in one race. Still, tyre changes are much better in terms of strategy and racing. It'll be like the good ol days again were we see drivers trying to go longer than they really should on a set of tyres etc.

My only question is this. The fuel tanks will need to be much larger. They should decrease the race distance anyway to help a little. But many teams had to reduce the size of the tanks to make room for KERS. Again, KERS showing what a useless pile of unwanted crap it really is. But still, I get the feeling the fuel tank will provide some debate somewhere along the line.

Anyways, it also means less driver excuses. Drivers won't be able to hide behind the old, the car on front of me was heavy and it lost me time, or my car was heavy and thats why I was slow. Instead they're all sent out there and its up to the driver himself. No excuses, just racing. You loss out, it's your fault, do better.

What will need to happen, though, is Bridgestone making a hard compound that can last for the entire race distance (not yielding plenty of grip, but being able to stand the distance without being completely destroyed ten laps from the end). Compulsory tyre changes will also need to be banned so that some teams can take the gamble of running a race without ever pitting.

I really want to see the drivers having to think more about the entire race and not just the stint they're on at the moment. I want them to have to decide when to push and when not to.

[7UpJordan]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

[Denthúl]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

Please, do tell the story.

[EwanM]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

Oh dear god that was horrific

[scotty]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

Or indeed Monaco '82! i wonder if we'd actually see a repeat of Mansell's pushing antics these days as well...?

[EwanM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZttxbEhT0 heres the 85 race, in review form.

[7UpJordan]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

Or indeed Monaco '82! i wonder if we'd actually see a repeat of Mansell's pushing antics these days as well...?

I can imagine Kimi going for broke and risking running out of fuel so he can hop out of the car and back to the Ferrari pit for an Ice Cream.

[darwin dali]

I'm all for a ban on refuelling, it'll give the drivers an extra challenge which will really make them earn their pennies by having to manage their pace, deciding when to push and when to hold back. You could see some real upsets in the closing laps if say the leader stops because he runs out of fuel. The best example of this is the 1985 San Marino GP.

Or indeed Monaco '82! i wonder if we'd actually see a repeat of Mansell's pushing antics these days as well...?

I'm pretty sure that has been outlawed a while ago.

[cap-dude]

It happened in GP2 last year at the Valencia Street Circuit. Bruno Senna in 6th ran out of fuel, as did the race leader Giorgio Pantano. It could easily happen in F1 again.