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[Gilles 27]

Two tier F1 has happened before with different rules over engines in the 1950s depending on whether or not you used superchargers. in the 1960s, people were allowed to enter F2 and other such cars into F1 races and in the 1980s, there was the Jim Clark trophy for normally aspirated cars. None of these things drastically affected the racing.

This season, we've already had a two tier series of sorts with the two different interpretations of the diffuser regulations.

[EwanM]

Two tier F1 has happened before with different rules over engines in the 1950s depending on whether or not you used superchargers. in the 1960s, people were allowed to enter F2 and other such cars into F1 races and in the 1980s, there was the Jim Clark trophy for normally aspirated cars. None of these things drastically affected the racing.

This season, we've already had a two tier series of sorts with the two different interpretations of the diffuser regulations.

That is very true. I'm just not very for the idea of these regulations in all honesty.

[Gilles 27]

I think they'll need a fair bit of tweaking and we'll probably end up with a strange season or two in the interim but i think the concept is good and it should result in a healthier series.

[EwanM]

I think they'll need a fair bit of tweaking and we'll probably end up with a strange season or two in the interim but i think the concept is good and it should result in a healthier series.

I would hope so, because my opinion is hardly going to matter to the FIA. I wonder how many of the Manufacturer teams adopt this?

I mean thinking about it, some of the rules are redundant already for new teams. I doubt any of the new teams like Isport will have proper access to a windtunnel.

And what does this say about the Cosworth Standardised Engine, how fast is that going to be?
Will it really be that reliable?

[Denthúl]

FIA increases minimum car weight

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, April 30th 2009, 14:34 GMT

The weight of Formula 1 cars will be increased from the 2010 season under new technical regulations, the FIA announced on Thursday.

The ruling body said the minimum weight for cars from next season will be 620kg, rather than the current 605kg.

The move is aimed at not putting heavier drivers at a disadvantage due to the introduction of KERS, which has hindered taller drivers like BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.

Pole Kubica has raced with KERS just once this year, as the increased weight did not allow him to play with ballast and thus improve his car's balance.

But the technical rules published by the FIA on Thursday moved to solved that, increasing the cars' minimum weight by 15kg.

Good news.

I think they'll need a fair bit of tweaking and we'll probably end up with a strange season or two in the interim but i think the concept is good and it should result in a healthier series.

I would hope so, because my opinion is hardly going to matter to the FIA. I wonder how many of the Manufacturer teams adopt this?

I mean thinking about it, some of the rules are redundant already for new teams. I doubt any of the new teams like Isport will have proper access to a windtunnel.

And what does this say about the Cosworth Standardised Engine, how fast is that going to be?
Will it really be that reliable?

I wonder if Cosworth will be in a situation where they produce two engines (or rather, one engine that's unrestricted and one that runs at 18,000RPM).

[Gaz]

FIA increases minimum car weight

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, April 30th 2009, 14:34 GMT

The weight of Formula 1 cars will be increased from the 2010 season under new technical regulations, the FIA announced on Thursday.

The ruling body said the minimum weight for cars from next season will be 620kg, rather than the current 605kg.

The move is aimed at not putting heavier drivers at a disadvantage due to the introduction of KERS, which has hindered taller drivers like BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.

Pole Kubica has raced with KERS just once this year, as the increased weight did not allow him to play with ballast and thus improve his car's balance.

But the technical rules published by the FIA on Thursday moved to solved that, increasing the cars' minimum weight by 15kg.

Good news.

I think they'll need a fair bit of tweaking and we'll probably end up with a strange season or two in the interim but i think the concept is good and it should result in a healthier series.

I would hope so, because my opinion is hardly going to matter to the FIA. I wonder how many of the Manufacturer teams adopt this?

I mean thinking about it, some of the rules are redundant already for new teams. I doubt any of the new teams like Isport will have proper access to a windtunnel.

And what does this say about the Cosworth Standardised Engine, how fast is that going to be?
Will it really be that reliable?

I wonder if Cosworth will be in a situation where they produce two engines (or rather, one engine that's unrestricted and one that runs at 18,000RPM).

Wouldn't the ECU do the restriction.

You might have an engine thats designed to run better at higher revs tho?

[Gilles 27]

Interesting point on the two Costworth engines thing Denthul.

on the weight limit, I'd rather just see KERS got rid of but it's good to see that heavy guys are no longer penalised.

[Frosty]

I hate the idea of a 2 tier F1 where they are fighting for the same title at least in the 80s there were different trophies. [EDIT] None of the teams are happy with the two tier system.

[Denthúl]

FIA increases minimum car weight

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, April 30th 2009, 14:34 GMT

The weight of Formula 1 cars will be increased from the 2010 season under new technical regulations, the FIA announced on Thursday.

The ruling body said the minimum weight for cars from next season will be 620kg, rather than the current 605kg.

The move is aimed at not putting heavier drivers at a disadvantage due to the introduction of KERS, which has hindered taller drivers like BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.

Pole Kubica has raced with KERS just once this year, as the increased weight did not allow him to play with ballast and thus improve his car's balance.

But the technical rules published by the FIA on Thursday moved to solved that, increasing the cars' minimum weight by 15kg.

Good news.

I think they'll need a fair bit of tweaking and we'll probably end up with a strange season or two in the interim but i think the concept is good and it should result in a healthier series.

I would hope so, because my opinion is hardly going to matter to the FIA. I wonder how many of the Manufacturer teams adopt this?

I mean thinking about it, some of the rules are redundant already for new teams. I doubt any of the new teams like Isport will have proper access to a windtunnel.

And what does this say about the Cosworth Standardised Engine, how fast is that going to be?
Will it really be that reliable?

I wonder if Cosworth will be in a situation where they produce two engines (or rather, one engine that's unrestricted and one that runs at 18,000RPM).

Wouldn't the ECU do the restriction.

You might have an engine thats designed to run better at higher revs tho?

That depends on how the ECU works (I'd need to have one of them here so I could have a look at what's inside and what's in its code). But I'm not sure the ECU is controlling revs at present anyway - I think engine suppliers have had to fit rev limiters of their own. I mean, that's what they did before the standardised ECU, isn't it?

[EwanM]

Other news for the capped teams :S

KERS boost for cost-capped entries
Doubling of the KERS boost to 120kw
30/04/09 18:49


http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 4911.shtml

Another technical advantage to be enjoyed by any 'cost regulated team' next year will be the doubling of Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems' power output – assuming any team opts to take that route.

Close followers of the championship were spending Thursday afternoon poring over the newly published FIA 2010 regulations, featuring basically unchanged technical rules for teams opting not to sign up to the optional budget restraints.

Those willing to be limited to £40 million (€45m) will however benefit from free-revving engines, a relaxation of testing restrictions and moveable wings. It also emerged that they will be allowed to use KERS outputting 120 kilowatts, while the 'free-spending' teams are limited to just 60kw.

Realistically, it remains to be seen how any potential new entry or independent team could fund its own KERS programme given the cost restraints.



Like the removal of rev-limits on the V8 powerplants, it is likely that the major manufacturers will be targeted to develop and adapt the technology for the customer teams, something that will undoubtedly be up for discussion within the FOTA ranks.

Williams and McLaren on Thursday responded to the FIA's confirmation of the £40m voluntary budget cap essentially saying that the Formula One Teams' Association will discuss the rules, while Ferrari did not want to comment.

E.A. © CAPSIS International
Source: GMM

[Denthúl]

I actually like the way that Mosley is going about this. It's very, very smart and could prove to be very, very effective in getting what he wants

[EwanM]

I actually like the way that Mosley is going about this. It's very, very smart and could prove to be very, very effective in getting what he wants

Oh there is no denying that. Max Mosley is doing what he does best. Offering the biggest Carrot he can find!

[Denthúl]

I actually like the way that Mosley is going about this. It's very, very smart and could prove to be very, very effective in getting what he wants

Oh there is no denying that. Max Mosley is doing what he does best. Offering the biggest Carrot he can find!

By the time all the proposals have been put forward, nobody will be able to compete outside of the budget cap. I mean, McLaren, Ferrari, BMW Sauber, Renault and Toyota can spend £1billion in 2010, but lose out to Williams, Brawn, even Force India who only spend £40million. They would not want that.

[EwanM]

I actually like the way that Mosley is going about this. It's very, very smart and could prove to be very, very effective in getting what he wants

Oh there is no denying that. Max Mosley is doing what he does best. Offering the biggest Carrot he can find!

By the time all the proposals have been put forward, nobody will be able to compete outside of the budget cap. I mean, McLaren, Ferrari, BMW Sauber, Renault and Toyota can spend £1billion in 2010, but lose out to Williams, Brawn, even Force India who only spend £40million. They would not want that.

Well Ferrari are furious, seems the FIA/Ferrari pact has well and truely been torn apart.
London on the 5th of May will be exhilarating

[irons_4_ever]

is there anyway i can find the new rules for 2010 i know of 2 is that all there is aswell as the budget cap