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[Denthúl]

Cannot wait to see the other teams RBR, McLaren, Ferrari and Toyota rub that smug smile off Button's face in the coming races.

I think you'll be waiting for quite a while. Once all the updates are in place for all the teams, I expect Brawn to be at the head of the pack again with Red Bull their closest challenger in Barcelona. There are a lot of factors that are being overlooked when judging Brawn's current performance

[Gaz]

Cannot wait to see the other teams RBR, McLaren, Ferrari and Toyota rub that smug smile off Button's face in the coming races.

I think you'll be waiting for quite a while. Once all the updates are in place for all the teams, I expect Brawn to be at the head of the pack again with Red Bull their closest challenger in Barcelona. There are a lot of factors that are being overlooked when judging Brawn's current performance

While i think Max goes abit ott with his remark i sure hope its not a brawn whitewash like Oz

[Denthúl]

Cannot wait to see the other teams RBR, McLaren, Ferrari and Toyota rub that smug smile off Button's face in the coming races.

I think you'll be waiting for quite a while. Once all the updates are in place for all the teams, I expect Brawn to be at the head of the pack again with Red Bull their closest challenger in Barcelona. There are a lot of factors that are being overlooked when judging Brawn's current performance

While i think Max goes abit ott with his remark i sure hope its not a brawn whitewash like Oz

Well, I think Red Bull will be very close, but here are just a couple of things to think about:

Brawn have not brought updates to their car in the same way that other teams have over the past four races.

The Brawn cars, barring Rubens' front wing, diffuser and gearbox and the engines from both cars, have run all four races. Pretty much every other car on the grid is likely to have had new front and rear wings, engine covers and possibly even new suspension. So the Brawn cars are very stressed from more running than most other teams (I imagine Force India would be the next up). This is all down to a lack of spare parts - the team came to Australia with only four front wings in total and I think they've not brought too many to the races after that.

Brawn GP's aero package is probably the best overall on the grid. Looking at the testing times, they were much further ahead of the pack at Catalunya than Jerez, so I imagine they'd have a bit more advantage here on race day.


With a full update package and fresh parts on the cars, I think they'll see a significant enough performance gain to be fighting for the win again without too much trouble, although I certainly think Vettel and Webber will push them hard and I can't say too much about Toyota yet, but I'd be surprised if they weren't fighting for podiums at the least.

[MAD MAX]

While i think Max goes abit ott with his remark i sure hope its not a brawn whitewash like Oz

Oh come on, at least I admit I'm biaised

[Gaz]

Yeh Brawn have the best package i'm just hoping that their spain updates don't push them ahead again.

i mean its took 4 races for the teams to just about catch up and buttons Brawn was still faster over race distance.

I like to see racing not domiance.

Even would get Boring if Mclaren were doing it

[Jensonb]

Yeh Brawn have the best package i'm just hoping that their spain updates don't push them ahead again.

i mean its took 4 races for the teams to just about catch up and buttons Brawn was still faster over race distance.

I like to see racing not domiance.

Even would get Boring if Mclaren were doing it

Theoretically, Vettel's car was faster, Jenson just got his into an optimal position. If it had been in the same places as Vettel's, they would have been in trouble.

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

[MAD MAX]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

[Denthúl]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

I disagree. The Toyota and Red Bull cars were faster than Jenson (the Toyotas were the fastest of all until they ended up on the medium tyres through the middle stint) and were it not for traffic and poor strategy choices, Jenson probably would've finished off the podium.

[MAD MAX]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

I disagree. The Toyota and Red Bull cars were faster than Jenson (the Toyotas were the fastest of all until they ended up on the medium tyres through the middle stint) and were it not for traffic and poor strategy choices, Jenson probably would've finished off the podium.

Are you going to quote me on every post I make and disagree

[Denthúl]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

I disagree. The Toyota and Red Bull cars were faster than Jenson (the Toyotas were the fastest of all until they ended up on the medium tyres through the middle stint) and were it not for traffic and poor strategy choices, Jenson probably would've finished off the podium.

Are you going to quote me on every post I make and disagree

Only the ones I disagree with.

Also, I'm backed up by evidence. It's not like I'm just disagreeing with you for the sake of it. Only three drivers consistently set lap times in the 1:34s during the race and only five drivers actually posted a lap time under 1:35. The three lapping around that mark during the opening stint were Trulli, Glock and Button. The five drivers that managed to post at least one lap in the 1:34s were those three plus Barrichello and Vettel. During the opening stint, Trulli was as much as three tenths faster than Button.

Edit: Sorry, six posted a lap time in the 1:34 range. The other was Hamilton.

[Jensonb]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

[Gaz]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

Button is Good and he did a great job last race But he's still not Lewis status in my eyes just yet.

He'll have to do a Monaco, Silverstone or Hockenheim to get that.

[Robert182]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

just wondering why are 2007 and 2008 irrelevant ?

[Denthúl]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

Button is Good and he did a great job last race But he's still not Lewis status in my eyes just yet.

He'll have to do a Monaco, Silverstone or Hockenheim to get that.

Erm. Hungary 2006..?

[racechick]

Mostly down to cooling. The car's definitely quick, but it's not streets ahead like it was in testing, and it's not the fastest everywhere. But Jenson is driving at the top of his considerable game

Chuffin hell, you could have put Gazza in that car and he would got podium, sod all to do with Button, its the car that's lightening fast. Look at him the last 2 seasons in a crap car, back of the grid and rarely in the points

Podiums and Wins are different things.

If you can't understand why 2007 and 2008 are irrelevant I'm not wasting ym time trying to explain it, just read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 022027.stm

Button is Good and he did a great job last race But he's still not Lewis status in my eyes just yet.

He'll have to do a Monaco, Silverstone or Hockenheim to get that.

He's not a lewis and the article by mark Hughes that Jensnob quoted seems to agree.

"However, give him a car in which the rear end darts nervously around under braking or which does not turn in as decisively as he needs, and he struggles. He is, in other words, fantastic in a good car, ordinary in a bad one.

He is not a swashbuckling, attacking driver in the way that Lewis Hamilton, for example, is. Hamilton can get more out of a mediocre car, as he is proving at the moment, but put each of them in a good one and they would be extremely closely matched. " (Mark Hughes)

Its what ive always said about Jenson, he's very good when everything suits but he cant drive around problems.