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[Jensonb]

:rolleyes:

1. Honda's RA108 was flawed right from the start, suffering from the same basic problem as the RA107. Ross Brawn had no influence over the RA108's design and knew that there would be no chance of that car winning a race in 2008 regardless of how much they attempted to develop it. Therefore, the only logical choice would be to focus on the next season's car. It was a move that paid off in spectacular fashion. Furthermore, Honda's decision to pull out of the sport was a knee-jerk reaction to the slump in their car sales.

2. Had there been a better, more serious bidder, I'm quite sure they'd have bought the team. Brawn's job was secure in the event of any takeover, really, because nobody would want to drop him. Just look at all the people who tried to buy the team and you'll realise that none of them were ver going to do it.

3. If he so wanted to make out that the team were so, so poor, would he not have accepted Ecclestone's financial offer to make it look as if he couldn't fund the team with his own resources on top of those that Honda were offering? That would certainly give off the impression that it would be the only way they could afford it.

4. See above. We all knew Branson was interested in getting in to Formula One but he made it clear that he wouldn't buy Honda without the sport meeting specific criteria. It was too late to change any of the regulations to cover these, so the earliest that he would consider actually purchasing the team was 2010. Sponsorship, however, is the first logical step towards taking over a team.

5. Ross Brawn pointed out the loophole in the regulations over a year in advance and put forward a proposal to close it and generally tidy up the regulations to avoid the situation that we had with the diffuser. The guys from Renault and BMW Sauber said 'no' to that. Ross did not make them refuse, so I don't see how you can possibly lay any of the blame on him. He tried to fix the situation before it was broken.

All-in-all, you've got an issue with Brawn but no real reason for it. I imagine jealousy is a major factor in it, but I don't know you well enough to make such a claim.

Out of curiosity, are you a Ferrari or Renault fan?

I will further add the following to this sound rebuttal:

1) There were absolutely no bids which Honda were satisfied with. Nick Fry had deals on the table for Honda, but they were unsatisfied with them all. Ross took over to save Honda face.

2) The RA108 was specifically designed to rectify certain major flaws in the RA107, and increased performance suffered as a result. Ross still managed to get Rubens into some damn fine results through strategy, so to call him responsible for the team's under-performance is a trifle rich.

3) The FiA voluntarily waived the Entrant's fee, which is perfectly fair since none of the following for example had to pay it:

Renault, Red Bull Racing, Scuderia Toro Rosso, Jaguar Racing

4) The Diffuser Controversy is an artificially created hysteria crafted by the rivals of Brawn, Toyota and Williams to explain their own underachievement (Ferrari, Renault) or out of pure sour grapes (Red Bull) or both (BMW). Ross acted within the rules and did nothing immoral.

[davevettel66]

Here, here. Couldn't have put it better myself.

Gert should get back to his history homework now. Otherwise he'll be doing it on the bus in the morning.

[bud]

I reckon Ross has pulled a fast 1 here.

1. He is very responsible for the wretched performance Honda had last year as a result of deciding to spend last year's cash on this year's car which lead to some dismal performances & almost certainly helped Honda come to the conclusion that they wanted out.

2. Then he managaged to out manoevere every other suitor for the team & take over himself with a very fully developed car for this year at somebody else's expense.

3. He then pleaded poverty to ensure that he was allowed in without paying the 48 million when it's a new team, with new race numbers etc to everybody else.

4. Now he's got a major deal with Branson lined up & may well have done since the end of last year but is keeping that quiet in case people start to smell a rat & realise just how much of a lie the whole "we are too poor to pay for the team or the entry" actually is.

5. & all the above is without considering Ross' hand in the the double diffusor controvercy.

I can see how Ferrari's lawyer & Bernie would call him names & no wonder Flav thinks he can take a running jump at himself if he thinks he's getting Honda's TV cash.

Geez, tell me how you REALLY feel about Ross

hey youre allowed to go on about Ron and Martin

[darwin dali]

I reckon Ross has pulled a fast 1 here.

1. He is very responsible for the wretched performance Honda had last year as a result of deciding to spend last year's cash on this year's car which lead to some dismal performances & almost certainly helped Honda come to the conclusion that they wanted out.

2. Then he managaged to out manoevere every other suitor for the team & take over himself with a very fully developed car for this year at somebody else's expense.

3. He then pleaded poverty to ensure that he was allowed in without paying the 48 million when it's a new team, with new race numbers etc to everybody else.

4. Now he's got a major deal with Branson lined up & may well have done since the end of last year but is keeping that quiet in case people start to smell a rat & realise just how much of a lie the whole "we are too poor to pay for the team or the entry" actually is.

5. & all the above is without considering Ross' hand in the the double diffusor controvercy.

I can see how Ferrari's lawyer & Bernie would call him names & no wonder Flav thinks he can take a running jump at himself if he thinks he's getting Honda's TV cash.

Geez, tell me how you REALLY feel about Ross

hey youre allowed to go on about Ron and Martin

I didn't say he's not allowed to write all this.

[Gaz]

but as a admin you should be completely non-bias.

[bud]

but as a admin you should be completely non-bias.

na that would be boring

[darwin dali]

but as a admin you should be completely non-bias.

Says who?

Fair and balanced in administrating the site, but I can still have my opinion and express it.

[Bovvaboy]

If Ross Brawn was playing Texas Holdem Poker it would have been like this.

Was playing solid poker all year the picks up a middle pair 88. Flop comes AA8 ! ,,,,everyone else folds and Ross picks up the pot.

OK he got lucky but sometimes you have to be in it to win it!

Also I heard that paying out the drivers contracts and winding the team up would have cost Honda alot more money.

[Gaz]

but as a admin you should be completely non-bias.

Says who?

Fair and balanced in administrating the site, but I can still have my opinion and express it.

lol joking with you

[stonemonkey]

I have a feeling that Brawn had a hand in the slump in the global economy knowing that Honda would pull out of F1 and enable him to pull off this magnificent scam.

[bud]

I have a feeling that Brawn had a hand in the slump in the global economy knowing that Honda would pull out of F1 and enable him to pull off this magnificent scam.

spot on

[texasmr2]

Opportunity appears at the least expected moment and only the truelly smart people recognize it and take advantage of it.

[Gaz]

I have a feeling that Brawn had a hand in the slump in the global economy knowing that Honda would pull out of F1 and enable him to pull off this magnificent scam.

spot on

Brawn told the bankers to pass off bad debt and good causing the credit crisis.

He also put a virus on ferrari's computer to break the fluid dynamics and cause bad pit stop decisions for the 2009 season.

He's planned this for some time.

[irons_4_ever]

lol

i was reading that virgin were at Bahrain to sign a big deal with brawn

[scotty]

Slightly OT, but i read that Virgin 'own the rights' to Brawn's sponsorships like Marlboro at Ferrari, whereby they have a very big say in the other sponsors on the car, and they (Virgin) also recieve some of the sponsorship money. Anyone able to shed more light on that?