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[Gaz]

no it doesnt yes it does no it doesnt

do you have issue with the 18k rev limit on the engines as well?

A little bit, yeah. But I put up with it because it makes the engines cheaper.

sorta negates the engine makes doesnt it? might as well have a control engine eh?

nobody has issues with the A1GPs push to pass button, ofcourse its used to not only overtake but to defend just like KERS is. but the fact that KERS only has so much power per lap brings the tactical aspect into it.

im sure you wouldnt be whinging if F1 had a push to pass button where it just gave extra HP from the engine alone.

Push to Pass is a gimmick and the mark of a second class series. The reason nobody whinges about A1GP having it is because A1GP is a waste of time so relatively few people give it the time of day.

a true motorsport fan wouldnt belittle A1

If Kers works its great, if it don't then its not great.

[Jensonb]

a true motorsport fan wouldnt belittle A1

Oh yes, because it's absolutely the kind of thing every other motorsport aspires to. How dare someone who claims to like motorsport dislike a category full of gimmicks and which defies its own premise?

If this is the way you're going to argue your case, I'm not going to bother discussing it with you.

[csrracer]

My point about Hydrogen isn't that F1 should go Hydrogen, My point is that Hydrogen is cutting edge technology and KERS isn't. Why spend 100s of millions of dollars on a technology that is already in use in a Prius or a Honda Clarity ? KERS is not saving gas it's spending money on old technology that contributes nothing to racing, nothing to the environment, and adds reliability and safety issues. The push to pass aspect is an absolute joke this concept can easily be accomplished with an over rev button that can add 2000 RPM that all the teams could benefit from it'll cost nothing has no safety issues and no weight issues.

[f1ea]

nobody has issues with the A1GPs push to pass button, ofcourse its used to not only overtake but to defend just like KERS is. but the fact that KERS only has so much power per lap brings the tactical aspect into it.

The thing is the boost in A1 is common to all the teams... meaning teams dont have to puzzle themselves nor spend too much with the technology. What they (A1) does to increase the strategic aspect is to limit to 8 or 9 boosts per race.

I still think KERS is an interesting feature. it's only its 1st generation, so i guess the mistakes/problems should be sorted before continuing to throw money at it... and mistakes/problems there's plenty with the current generation.

[csrracer]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

[Frosty]

On another note, i heard pre-season that the drivers could change the KERS settings to allow a short yet powerful burst and vice versa, did that materialise?

If the could that would be cool should be fairly easy as the calculations are simple they get 80hp for 6.9 seconds 80hp = 59.655 kilojoules per a second 6.9*59.665= 411.6885 Kilojoules

so if you wanted to use your 411.6885 Kilojoules of energy quicker lets say at 200hp which is 149.139 Kilojoules per a second then 411.6885/149.139=2.76 seconds
So you could have 200hp for 2.76 seconds instead of 80hp for 6.9 seconds.

[Denthúl]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

[cap-dude]

I have to defend A1 GP here and now. It's a great racing series without the political crap. More and more great drivers are joining. It's just pure hard racing.

The last race at Algarve was something else. One of the best races I've ever watched. Adam Carrol for Ireland was sensational. Started the race in a good lead, but got a penalty for a jump start. Then somehow, he fought his way back through the feild. During the 2nd pit stops he came out in 3rd. Within a few laps took second place and was then right back on the leader. The race ended nose to tail. Meanwhile, there was monumental battle for 3rd between about 5 cars. It was just a gripping race you couldn't take your eyes off.

Their push to pass system works however. KERS you have it every lap. It makes no difference. It doesn't increase overtaking one single bit. The boost button however can only be used 8 times during a race. So you can't use it every lap or after 8 laps your finished. It's a system that's proven to work for series that full of overtaking.

[csrracer]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

Thank you for posting that. I think it proves one of my points quite well.....our new outbreak in F1 passing has nothing to do with the KERS system. So those of you Pro-KERS, can now drop that argument.
( I think at least half of the KERS passing non KERS and visa versa was LH going by KR and KR going past LH LOL )

[scotty]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

Thank you for posting that. I think it proves one of my points quite well.....our new outbreak in F1 passing has nothing to do with the KERS system. So those of you Pro-KERS, can now drop that argument.
( I think at least half of the KERS passing non KERS and visa versa was LH going by KR and KR going past LH LOL )

Eh? You have to remember that only 3 cars actually had KERS, and that it was pissing it down with rain!

[Denthúl]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

Thank you for posting that. I think it proves one of my points quite well.....our new outbreak in F1 passing has nothing to do with the KERS system. So those of you Pro-KERS, can now drop that argument.
( I think at least half of the KERS passing non KERS and visa versa was LH going by KR and KR going past LH LOL )

Actually, it proves relatively little, seeing as China was a wet race and only three cars were running the system.

[scotty]

Are you able to find the numbers for the other races Denth?

[Frosty]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

Thank you for posting that. I think it proves one of my points quite well.....our new outbreak in F1 passing has nothing to do with the KERS system. So those of you Pro-KERS, can now drop that argument.
( I think at least half of the KERS passing non KERS and visa versa was LH going by KR and KR going past LH LOL )

Do those overtakes include ones when people fell off the track? You also got to remember that there were only 3 KERS cars on the track compared to 17 non-KERS cars so I think the the top and bottom statistics count most.

[csrracer]

Sorry I don't buy any of it and could never think that KERS is good for the sport, With all the teams and F1 managers looking for ways to cut costs to save the sport, KERS goes in the wrong direction, Gimmicks like a push to pass button do the same thing. Reducing the rear wing and putting the cars back on slicks is what has made passing possible this year not KERS. I've asked for statistics to prove me wrong but I haven't seen any yet, I'd also like to see some top speed figures between KERS cars and non KERS cars, I suspect that the KERS cars lack of balance through the turns and slower cornering speed negate the extra boost they get with the KERS system.

From Sunday's race, posted on another forum.

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

Thank you for posting that. I think it proves one of my points quite well.....our new outbreak in F1 passing has nothing to do with the KERS system. So those of you Pro-KERS, can now drop that argument.
( I think at least half of the KERS passing non KERS and visa versa was LH going by KR and KR going past LH LOL )

Do those overtakes include ones when people fell off the track? You also got to remember that there were only 3 KERS cars on the track compared to 17 non-KERS cars so I think the the top and bottom statistics count most.

I'd say that the top and bottom Stats meant the least, There were 42 passes of non KERS cars passing non KERS cars they don't need it to pass or to make the racing more exciting it's a big waste of time and money.

[Denthúl]

Are you able to find the numbers for the other races Denth?

Yes. I didn't scroll up from the China post first time I looked.

Austraila, Total overtakes: 25

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 11
non-KERS passed KERS: 4

Malaysia, Total overtakes: 28

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 4
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 9
non-KERS passed KERS: 14

China, Total overtakes: 60

KERS analysis:
KERS passed non-KERS: 9
KERS passed KERS: 1
non-KERS passed non-KERS: 42
non-KERS passed KERS: 8

But of course, with the second and third races being held under extreme conditions, I would not say that the figures from those races give any kind of idea.