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[AKR]

Imagine they played the British one for Ferrari in error as well.......

Imagine if that happened at Monza!

Mass Riots?

[bud]

Massa, i have to say, probably had a chance to finish around the Brawns. but god! what on earth is going on with that car?!! he was in a strong position before he DNF'd.... what a disappointment for Ferrari. Massa was still good with his race pace though.

Nonetheless, Vettel is on his way to more race podiums, or even wins this year i can see...
Could any teams have a thought of picking Vettel up? Perhaps Ferrari?

why would he leave Redbull for Ferrari given the current state? He well win the title this year if Redbull get a double diffuser!

congrats to Redbull congrats to Vettel (new rain meister) and congrats to my compatriot Webber!

That's not necessarily true. If Newey has to compromise that fantastic rear-end too much to fit a diffuser, I could see them remaining at the same level.

I dunno in the wet its obvious the diffuser plays a lesser role as seen by the pace of Williams and Toyota, Mechanical grip is where Redbull has excelled and i think the pullrod suspension is the key to this especially in the wet.

In the dry i still think Brawn has the edge when that diffuser can do its thing!

[Denthúl]

Massa, i have to say, probably had a chance to finish around the Brawns. but god! what on earth is going on with that car?!! he was in a strong position before he DNF'd.... what a disappointment for Ferrari. Massa was still good with his race pace though.

Nonetheless, Vettel is on his way to more race podiums, or even wins this year i can see...
Could any teams have a thought of picking Vettel up? Perhaps Ferrari?

why would he leave Redbull for Ferrari given the current state? He well win the title this year if Redbull get a double diffuser!

congrats to Redbull congrats to Vettel (new rain meister) and congrats to my compatriot Webber!

That's not necessarily true. If Newey has to compromise that fantastic rear-end too much to fit a diffuser, I could see them remaining at the same level.

I dunno in the wet its obvious the diffuser plays a lesser role as seen by the pace of Williams and Toyota, Mechanical grip is where Redbull has excelled and i think the pullrod suspension is the key to this especially in the wet.

In the dry i still think Brawn has the edge when that diffuser can do its thing!

Their aero is pretty good, too - the car was glued to the track. I think that if it was set up to run a diffuser, it could easily be on the Brawn's pace (provided the aero package was designed to channel air to the diffuser effectively, of course). There is a question mark surrounding the Renault engine, still - if the chassis were evenly matched, would the Renault keep up with the Mercedes?

[bud]

i think the Merc engine has more HP but Renault were allowed to play catch up hey? so who knows. but at all the GPs its usually a Merc car has been fastest in the speed traps.

[7UpJordan]

Massa, i have to say, probably had a chance to finish around the Brawns. but god! what on earth is going on with that car?!! he was in a strong position before he DNF'd.... what a disappointment for Ferrari. Massa was still good with his race pace though.

Nonetheless, Vettel is on his way to more race podiums, or even wins this year i can see...
Could any teams have a thought of picking Vettel up? Perhaps Ferrari?

why would he leave Redbull for Ferrari given the current state? He well win the title this year if Redbull get a double diffuser!

congrats to Redbull congrats to Vettel (new rain meister) and congrats to my compatriot Webber!

That's not necessarily true. If Newey has to compromise that fantastic rear-end too much to fit a diffuser, I could see them remaining at the same level.

I dunno in the wet its obvious the diffuser plays a lesser role as seen by the pace of Williams and Toyota, Mechanical grip is where Redbull has excelled and i think the pullrod suspension is the key to this especially in the wet.

In the dry i still think Brawn has the edge when that diffuser can do its thing!

I also reckon the pull-rod suspension system being so unique is what has made Red Bull the fastest of the non-diffuser teams.

[Jensonb]

I dunno in the wet its obvious the diffuser plays a lesser role as seen by the pace of Williams and Toyota, Mechanical grip is where Redbull has excelled and i think the pullrod suspension is the key to this especially in the wet.

In the dry i still think Brawn has the edge when that diffuser can do its thing!

That's my assessment too. Fuel adjusted in qualifying, Brawn were fastest by a comfortable margin. They also had the strategy and the pace such that had it been a dry or a wet/dry race, they'd probably have won. But the Red Bull is almighty in the wet

[bud]

But what Brawn and their fans can take from today is they were still strong while the other two diffuser teams were not. which would suggest its a better all around car and even without the diffuser it would have been a good car.

[Denthúl]

But what Brawn and their fans can take from today is they were still strong while the other two diffuser teams were not. which would suggest its a better all around car and even without the diffuser it would have been a good car.

Williams had a poor day, yes, but I think Toyota's performance has gone unnoticed largely because of the fact that Glock started from the pits and had to change the nose twice. Had he not had those incidents he probably could've finished right behind Rubens. Trulli was poor, though.

[Frosty]

Massa, i have to say, probably had a chance to finish around the Brawns. but god! what on earth is going on with that car?!! he was in a strong position before he DNF'd.... what a disappointment for Ferrari. Massa was still good with his race pace though.

Nonetheless, Vettel is on his way to more race podiums, or even wins this year i can see...
Could any teams have a thought of picking Vettel up? Perhaps Ferrari?

why would he leave Redbull for Ferrari given the current state? He well win the title this year if Redbull get a double diffuser!

congrats to Redbull congrats to Vettel (new rain meister) and congrats to my compatriot Webber!

That's not necessarily true. If Newey has to compromise that fantastic rear-end too much to fit a diffuser, I could see them remaining at the same level.

I dunno in the wet its obvious the diffuser plays a lesser role as seen by the pace of Williams and Toyota, Mechanical grip is where Redbull has excelled and i think the pullrod suspension is the key to this especially in the wet.

In the dry i still think Brawn has the edge when that diffuser can do its thing!

I also reckon the pull-rod suspension system being so unique is what has made Red Bull the fastest of the non-diffuser teams.

The Red Bull is a really well packaged car especially when it comes to weight distribution and keeping the centre of gravity low such as the the pull rod suspension and how the brake callipers are mounted. How the front end of the car is shaped with the upside down v and how it is attached to the suspension all very clever and obviously very good at channelling air into the underfloor. Still looks very fragile though apparently the front wing is so flexible that they haven't been able to mount motors in them to operate the front wing because the wing would flex to much!

[cap-dude]

Vettel!

Seriously happy about that result. 44 seconds clear of the Brawn. Red Bull were in a world of their own today. Both drivers were sublime and the car the same. I said that Red Bull would be fast if rained but no one could've predicted such a devstating win. Great drive from Webber as well, lets just hope he can go one better.

Brawn, we'll its funny isn't it. In some way you think theres slight disapointment, but really its the best result they could've had in the wet today. Brawn still lead by a good margin, but now more than ever they need to start looking over their shoulders.


One great drive today, a guy who was overlooked is Glock. Started in the pit lane and managed to make it up to 7th. Again, Glock is surprisling handy in the wet conditions. He doesn't seem to have the raw pace in the wet, but he's able constantly bang in good consistent laps and not fall of the track. Certainly he'll be one to watch as the season goes on.

Massa, you have to give it to him it was a sublime drive. Who says he's poor in the wet. From 13th he was up to 3rd or 4th and some point. Making his way past Kovy, Hamiliton, Kimi. He was actually looking at looking at finishing ahead of Rubens at the end of the race. Superb job, but of course the Ferrari failed for the second time now. Just like in Hungary, the Ferrari reliability lets him down and Ferrari again are without a single point. I think it's fair to say, that without the reliability issues Ferrari would have some points. I think thats what they should be concentrating on, rather than something like a new front wing.

Kovy, ahead of Lewis in the race and standings too. Yeah! Seriously happy about that result as well. Seriously, if only Massa had finished, then the result were would've been just perfect for me.


Rosberg and Alonso, clearly the choice to come early seemed right, but in reality they struggled far too much. Rosberg was so slow throughout the race, so I'm interested to see just why. Is that Williams car awful in the wet or something.

[7UpJordan]

Rosberg was so slow throughout the race, so I'm interested to see just why. Is that Williams car awful in the wet or something.

Apparently he couldn't push because he had bad visibility problems... or at least that's what he told Sky Sports Italia.

[Frosty]

Rosberg was so slow throughout the race, so I'm interested to see just why. Is that Williams car awful in the wet or something.

Apparently he couldn't push because he had bad visibility problems... or at least that's what he told Sky Sports Italia.

He couldn't push because there was poor visibility that's the most excuse I've heard in a while most of the drivers had visibility issues at some point but they carried on pushing!

[7UpJordan]

Rosberg was so slow throughout the race, so I'm interested to see just why. Is that Williams car awful in the wet or something.

Apparently he couldn't push because he had bad visibility problems... or at least that's what he told Sky Sports Italia.

He couldn't push because there was poor visibility that's the most excuse I've heard in a while most of the drivers had visibility issues at some point but they carried on pushing!

Yeah that's what I thought, he is supposed to be good in the wet but he's a bit of a wuss when it comes to wet conditions. Even Prost wasn't this slow in wet conditions.

[cap-dude]

I know, Rosberg hasn't actually been great in the wet when you think about it. Last year I think he failed to do well in any of the wet GP's. His best wet run was 9th at Silverstone. Strange, you'd almost just expect Rosberg to fly in the wet, but clearly not so.


Also, Domenicali had this to say

"They had more time, they switched their project much earlier than us and that is the reality and we need to consider it. The other thing that we have to understand well is that today in certain conditions, look at the first part of the race, our car was not too bad at all. So we need to understand a lot of things.

"I think we have to wait. We need to stay cool.

Stay cool Felipe Baby. Oh Fezza

[Monzilla]

This is definatly the kind of season I have been hoping for! Brawn, a new team scoring wins, then Red Bull, one of the best wet races I can remmember since the eighties.
Well Don Seb and Marc. Great Job Christian and the team.