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[deMuRe]

I'd hardly say Ron Dennis has retired. He's basically given up any remaining influence he had over the Formula One side of things at McLaren. This in itself is not big news. The two things which lie behind it is pretty important, however. First, the Hamiltons, ungrateful pieces of pond scum that they are, don't want him involved in McLaren's Formula One set up; Dennis has left to increase the chances of Hamilton staying at McLaren. Some may see it as a noble, but I think it's a sign of weakness. Dennis has gone soft in recent times by allowing the Hamiltons to get away with whatever they want. The second reason is that there are unanswered questions into his role after the Australian Grand Prix. Although there's no proof of exactly what happened, rumours abound and McLaren's silence is deafening. Although I can see why Dennis might have told Hamilton and Ryan to stick to their original stories, it was nothing other than madness, given the team's relationship with Ecclestone, the FIA and the spy scandal still lingering. In light of these things, perhaps it was time to go for Dennis. What worries me, however, is that Whitmarsh is going to be running the whole Formula One team. He's a decent engineer and a nice guy, but he's demonstrated that his management skills are absolutely non-existent. I'd rather see Whitmarsh get demoted and somebody else who's capable take over the running of the team

I'm really impressed over your ability to criticise one of your team's drivers.

I found this post rather insightful and I would agree Whitmarsh is not a strong enough character to crack the whip when needed.

[deMuRe]

"The next race, the Malaysian Grand Prix, I watched on TV in the UK - an activity I found surprisingly easy. I'd expected to be more emotional about it, after an unbroken run of attending so many grands prix for so many years.

"I admit I'm not always easy to get on with. I admit I've always fought hard for McLaren in Formula 1. I doubt if Max Mosley or Bernie Ecclestone will be displeased by my decision. But no-one asked me to do it. It was my decision.

"Equally, I was the architect of today's restructure of the McLaren Group. Again, no-one asked me to do it. It was my decision.

"I feel enormously enthused about the prospects for the McLaren Group and for McLaren Automotive, and have no qualms about leaving Martin to report to the board regarding matters connected with Formula 1."

"Leaving Martin to report to the board...?"

That doesn't mean he wont still be pulling strings. This is just smoke and mirrors keeping us all interested in the drama...

[McLaren Fan]

Racechick to the rescue of the Hamiltons - again. Do you personally know the Hamiltons? Are you a member of the Hamilton family? Maybe you're Lewis or Anthony?

I said Ron was leaving anyway, he was!! That was why he handed over to Whitmarsh. How exactly is stating that fact helping the hamilton's for goodness sake. What is your problem?

Put simply, you are either denying or manipulating the truth to make the Hamiltons look better.

[racechick]

Racechick to the rescue of the Hamiltons - again. Do you personally know the Hamiltons? Are you a member of the Hamilton family? Maybe you're Lewis or Anthony?

I said Ron was leaving anyway, he was!! That was why he handed over to Whitmarsh. How exactly is stating that fact helping the hamilton's for goodness sake. What is your problem?

Put simply, you are either denying or manipulating the truth to make the Hamiltons look better.

How so? What truth am I manipulating? I honestly dont know what you mean?

[EwanM]

[Hexagram]

Its sad to see Ron Dennis going (completely)

[Gilles 27]

Got to say Ewan, that avatar is niiiiiiiice

[Jensonb]

Its sad to see Ron Dennis going (completely)

Ron's an F1 classic. Him and Hakkinnen back in the day...Iconic.

He will be missed.

[texasmr2]

RD is truelly imho an icon of F1 and even I will miss him. I just hope that McLaren does fall into shambles and disrepute as we still need/want them.

tex

[darwin dali]

RD is truelly imho an icon of F1 and even I will miss him. I just hope that McLaren does fall into shambles and disrepute as we still need/want them.

tex

What an odd wish

[bud]

RD is truelly imho an icon of F1 and even I will miss him. I just hope that McLaren does fall into shambles and disrepute as we still need/want them.

tex

What an odd wish

think he meant doesnt

[texasmr2]

Yes it was a typo error, my bad.

[Big Azza]

I haven't been following Formula One for long, so i can't appreciate fully what he has done, but if I use three names I can start Senna, Hakkinen, and Hamilton...

Now I'm going to have a rant, please help me Racechick:

What is wrong with you people on this forum? You've immediately tied a link between the Hamiltons and Ron's departure. To go about blaming Lewis for Ron's departure is wrong! What evidence is there to show that Lewis hates Ron? If anything, their relationship is very close! Ron threw his support behind Hamilton, even when Alonso - Double-Current-World-Champion - was on the team. Lewis Hamilton then proved loyal to the team after Fernando left. We all saw Ron's discontent at Lewis' penalties. Does anyone have any evidence to say that Lewis directly states, he hates Ron Dennis. A man who he's known, and virtually became family with since he was eight years old?

Look at how successful this guy's been:

2000 World Formula A Championship TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 1 0 n/a DNF
European Formula A Championship TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 9 5 75 1st
Formula A World Cup TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 1 1 n/a 1st
2001 Formula Super A World Championship TeamMBM.com (Parolin/Parilla) 15 10 0 0 28 15th
2002 Formula Renault UK Manor Motorsport 25 13 3 3 274 3rd
2003 Formula Renault UK Manor Motorsport 3 15 11 10 419 1st
2004 Formula 3 Euroseries Manor Motorsport 35 20 1 1 69 5th
2005 Formula 3 Euroseries ASM Formule 3 1 20 11 15 172 1st
2006 GP2 Series ART Grand Prix 2 21 1 5 114 1st
2007 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 2 17 6 4 109 2nd
2008 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 22 18 7 5 98 1st
2009 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 1 2 0 0 1 10th*

All with the assistance of Ron Dennis. I actually see this move from Ron Dennis being bad for Lewis Hamilton. He is now missing his main form of support at McLaren. I don't think his team principals from now on will be so forgiving of his ego. In the past, the whole team may have hated him, but who cares, because the Man (Mr. Dennis) doesn't.

Now, if he does something wrong, the team won't be so forgiving. Hamilton will be prone to hostility at McLaren. Or perhaps, Ron is teaching Lewis a lesson to tame his ego.

As for Ron? We'll see his face in Formula One again...

Otherwise, Mr. Dennis, you have done wonders for this sport and I wish you all the best for whateveour endeavours you choose to pursue in future...

[texasmr2]

So you have been following F1 for a few years, which is great , yet you only see one driver on the grid and that is the issue. LH is a fantastic driver yet the 'he is all that' bs is just that, nothing but bs.

tex

[racechick]

I haven't been following Formula One for long, so i can't appreciate fully what he has done, but if I use three names I can start Senna, Hakkinen, and Hamilton...

Now I'm going to have a rant, please help me Racechick:

What is wrong with you people on this forum? You've immediately tied a link between the Hamiltons and Ron's departure. To go about blaming Lewis for Ron's departure is wrong! What evidence is there to show that Lewis hates Ron? If anything, their relationship is very close! Ron threw his support behind Hamilton, even when Alonso - Double-Current-World-Champion - was on the team. Lewis Hamilton then proved loyal to the team after Fernando left. We all saw Ron's discontent at Lewis' penalties. Does anyone have any evidence to say that Lewis directly states, he hates Ron Dennis. A man who he's known, and virtually became family with since he was eight years old?

Look at how successful this guy's been:

2000 World Formula A Championship TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 1 0 n/a DNF
European Formula A Championship TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 9 5 75 1st
Formula A World Cup TeamMBM.com (CRG/Parilla) 1 1 n/a 1st
2001 Formula Super A World Championship TeamMBM.com (Parolin/Parilla) 15 10 0 0 28 15th
2002 Formula Renault UK Manor Motorsport 25 13 3 3 274 3rd
2003 Formula Renault UK Manor Motorsport 3 15 11 10 419 1st
2004 Formula 3 Euroseries Manor Motorsport 35 20 1 1 69 5th
2005 Formula 3 Euroseries ASM Formule 3 1 20 11 15 172 1st
2006 GP2 Series ART Grand Prix 2 21 1 5 114 1st
2007 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 2 17 6 4 109 2nd
2008 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 22 18 7 5 98 1st
2009 Formula One Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 1 2 0 0 1 10th*

All with the assistance of Ron Dennis. I actually see this move from Ron Dennis being bad for Lewis Hamilton. He is now missing his main form of support at McLaren. I don't think his team principals from now on will be so forgiving of his ego. In the past, the whole team may have hated him, but who cares, because the Man (Mr. Dennis) doesn't.

Now, if he does something wrong, the team won't be so forgiving. Hamilton will be prone to hostility at McLaren. Or perhaps, Ron is teaching Lewis a lesson to tame his ego.

As for Ron? We'll see his face in Formula One again...

Otherwise, Mr. Dennis, you have done wonders for this sport and I wish you all the best for whateveour endeavours you choose to pursue in future...

Hi Hammy08 I have been following F1 for a long time and I would add a few more names to your list.
Don't worry yourself about the Hammy haters, they crawl out of the woodwork every opportunity they can. They have various issues with hamilton (I have a list of at least 10 "issues" ). When they start I just pop them in their "issue" box and close the lid . Makes me feel better anyway. I can show you the list if you like
Remember they don't know Hamilton and are basing their opinions largely on the media. If you read things written by people who actually know him you get a different picture. But no worries, annoying though it is. I watch and support him because I think he is the most talented driver out there and I like to see him race. Its that simple.

He will be fine at McLaren, Ron wasn't the only one mentoring him and remember, they know him.

Sad indeed to see Ron go. Not completely sure we'll get the whole story of this saga but Ron was going anyway, he'd already handed over to Whitmarsh. A shame we won't see him around, as you say, he's done a huge amount for the sport. I strongly suspect he will be working behind the scnes to promote FOTA (this is important to him, it was he who suggested Luca to lead them and get Ferrari on board) Knowing his battles with Max, he will be far better placed to help this succeed if he is not seen as an active participant.
Politics politics, politics eh! Always at the root of everything!