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[Gaz]

And if you like you can stop posting how good Jenson is now.

Nah, I don't see that happening...People are forever saying Lewis is great, Schumi is great, Vettel is great, whoever is great. I'm the guy who says Jenson is great, that's what I do here.

I just realised how radically off topic we are...So, um...Yeah, anyway...I hope the WMSC doesn't do something stupidly huge as a penalty - even a DQ from the Constructors' would be on the "much too big" side.

Not really on this fourm to be fair...

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There gonna get another DQ and a fine i think

+ loss of funds from FOM?

[Jensonb]

And if you like you can stop posting how good Jenson is now.

Nah, I don't see that happening...People are forever saying Lewis is great, Schumi is great, Vettel is great, whoever is great. I'm the guy who says Jenson is great, that's what I do here.

I just realised how radically off topic we are...So, um...Yeah, anyway...I hope the WMSC doesn't do something stupidly huge as a penalty - even a DQ from the Constructors' would be on the "much too big" side.

Not really on this fourm to be fair...

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There gonna get another DQ and a fine i think

+ loss of funds from FOM?

Do you mean like a 1 Race DQ, or a Constructors' DQ?

[Gaz]

And if you like you can stop posting how good Jenson is now.

Nah, I don't see that happening...People are forever saying Lewis is great, Schumi is great, Vettel is great, whoever is great. I'm the guy who says Jenson is great, that's what I do here.

I just realised how radically off topic we are...So, um...Yeah, anyway...I hope the WMSC doesn't do something stupidly huge as a penalty - even a DQ from the Constructors' would be on the "much too big" side.

Not really on this fourm to be fair...

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There gonna get another DQ and a fine i think

+ loss of funds from FOM?

Do you mean like a 1 Race DQ, or a Constructors' DQ?

Constructors like in 07

[Jensonb]

Constructors like in 07

Blegh. I hope not. Trifle draconian.

[Gilles 27]

It would just be mental if McLaren got kicked out again and Lewis didn't. I know Lewis probably wasn't involved in spygate but the tram in 2007 was judged to have gained an advantage illegally so surely the drivers also gained that advantage given they were driving the car!!! As Lewis was at least 50% responsible for what happened here and the other guy has been fired, i don't see how Lewis can possibly escape sanction if McLaren are to face a penalty

[EwanM]

The Doomsday being a Three Race Ban.
By the time that would be enforced we'd be looking at Monaco, Turkey and.... SIlverstone.
The amount of people who wouldn't turn up if that were the case. Oh well at least there wouldn't be any queue's for the toilets

[Denthúl]

The Doomsday being a Three Race Ban.
By the time that would be enforced we'd be looking at Monaco, Turkey and.... SIlverstone.
The amount of people who wouldn't turn up if that were the case. Oh well at least there wouldn't be any queue's for the toilets

By this point, the casual British viewer would already have switched from following Lewis to following Jenson. The media has already made that step. Business would still be good for Bernie.

[EwanM]

The Doomsday being a Three Race Ban.
By the time that would be enforced we'd be looking at Monaco, Turkey and.... SIlverstone.
The amount of people who wouldn't turn up if that were the case. Oh well at least there wouldn't be any queue's for the toilets

By this point, the casual British viewer would already have switched from following Lewis to following Jenson. The media has already made that step. Business would still be good for Bernie.

That's true, but there are alot of hardcore Mclaren supporters out there.
Just alot of crumby gloryhunters.

[Jensonb]

The Doomsday being a Three Race Ban.
By the time that would be enforced we'd be looking at Monaco, Turkey and.... SIlverstone.
The amount of people who wouldn't turn up if that were the case. Oh well at least there wouldn't be any queue's for the toilets

By this point, the casual British viewer would already have switched from following Lewis to following Jenson. The media has already made that step. Business would still be good for Bernie.

That's true, but there are alot of hardcore Mclaren supporters out there.
Just alot of crumby gloryhunters.

Well us Jenson/Brawn fans will happily buy their tickets.

Some of us were planning to go to the 2010 race at Silverstone but noooooooooooo

-Is still bitter about this-

[SarahB62]

Sorry if this crosses any other threads(and please feel free to transerfer it to a more relevant thread) but how many of us think McLaren are going to be hung out to dry given the past relationship with the FIA? and also internal politics which we are not privy too.

Also, if they are ... how will Bernie and Max deal with the turn off by a very large viewing sector ... McLaren fans / Lewis fans?

Any thoughts?

[racechick]

Some interesting points there. It has been discussed to some extent on the thread ' McLaren summoned by FIA's WMSC', so i'm going to merge it with that thread.

[Irv the Swerve]

McLaren will most likely get another hefty fine, cause there is now way that they will DSQ a moneymaker currently for the Sport.

As the saying goes, money talks.....

[Denthúl]

It would appear that the FIA suspect this runs deeper in to McLaren than the team were willing to let on (much like some of us thought).

FIA requests BBC's Whitmarsh tapes

By Jonathan Noble Monday, April 13th 2009, 19:33 GMT

Martin WhitmarshThe FIA has written to the BBC to ask for copies of interviews McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh conducted with the broadcaster in the immediate aftermath of the Australian Grand Prix.

As motor racing's governing body continues its investigation into the lying controversy surrounding the McLaren team, the BBC has been asked to supply comments made by Whitmarsh in Melbourne that could throw a fresh light on how much he knew about what happened behind the safety car in the closing stages of the race.

Although Whitmarsh claimed at the Malaysian Grand Prix that he knew nothing about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan denying to stewards that there had been a radio order to let Jarno Trulli overtake, his comments in the aftermath of the race suggest he shared the line they told stewards that the Toyota driver had forced his way by.

In a live interview with BBC Radio 5 shortly after the Melbourne race, Whitmarsh said: "Under the last safety car, Trulli's Toyota fell off the circuit and was on the grass. Lewis passed him as he could legitimately do so, and thereafter Trulli repassed under the safety car and the early indications from the stewards were that they felt that was incorrect. They are doing the full investigation as we speak and we will shortly learn if it is a third or a fourth place."

In another interview that Whitmarsh is alleged to have conducted with BBC pitlane reporter Ted Kravitz, it is suggested he said: "Trulli then retook the place under the safety car, which ordinarily you wouldn't do. I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment."

The FIA has been alerted to the presence of these interviews and wants the BBC to supply any evidence that it believes will be helpful to its investigation.

McLaren is to face a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council later this month to answer disrepute charges that it lied to stewards - and forced Hamilton to supply an 'untrue statement' to support its case.

[texasmr2]

I dont forsee this issue working out in favor of McLaren but I pray it is not another rediculous $100M fine. I think the team will be fined money wise and hopefully the same for Lewis instead of a race or points ban/reduction. My feeling is Lewis was totally directed in all accounts by the team.

tex

[Jensonb]

It would appear that the FIA suspect this runs deeper in to McLaren than the team were willing to let on (much like some of us thought).

FIA requests BBC's Whitmarsh tapes

By Jonathan Noble Monday, April 13th 2009, 19:33 GMT

Martin WhitmarshThe FIA has written to the BBC to ask for copies of interviews McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh conducted with the broadcaster in the immediate aftermath of the Australian Grand Prix.

As motor racing's governing body continues its investigation into the lying controversy surrounding the McLaren team, the BBC has been asked to supply comments made by Whitmarsh in Melbourne that could throw a fresh light on how much he knew about what happened behind the safety car in the closing stages of the race.

Although Whitmarsh claimed at the Malaysian Grand Prix that he knew nothing about Lewis Hamilton and McLaren's former sporting director Dave Ryan denying to stewards that there had been a radio order to let Jarno Trulli overtake, his comments in the aftermath of the race suggest he shared the line they told stewards that the Toyota driver had forced his way by.

In a live interview with BBC Radio 5 shortly after the Melbourne race, Whitmarsh said: "Under the last safety car, Trulli's Toyota fell off the circuit and was on the grass. Lewis passed him as he could legitimately do so, and thereafter Trulli repassed under the safety car and the early indications from the stewards were that they felt that was incorrect. They are doing the full investigation as we speak and we will shortly learn if it is a third or a fourth place."

In another interview that Whitmarsh is alleged to have conducted with BBC pitlane reporter Ted Kravitz, it is suggested he said: "Trulli then retook the place under the safety car, which ordinarily you wouldn't do. I know that the FIA are looking at it at the moment."

The FIA has been alerted to the presence of these interviews and wants the BBC to supply any evidence that it believes will be helpful to its investigation.

McLaren is to face a hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council later this month to answer disrepute charges that it lied to stewards - and forced Hamilton to supply an 'untrue statement' to support its case.

Oh dear. This sounds like it's gonna be ugly