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#105542
McLaren like Ferrari were putting their efforts behind the 08 campaign and are now paying for it with their respective 09 cars pace. But we are only 2 races in there is allot of ground to be made up by both Ferrari and McLaren. they both have the resources available to make massive gains in a short time.


Yeah well that's what people say.... I don't believe that teams with the resources like that didn't put enough effort into the new car, just an excuse by the teams fans if you ask me.

Look, the fact is that when Alonso came to the team they were stuffed, the car was a pig. The reason they signed Alonso was for his all around skills. The car was then a championship contender. They stupidly backed Hamilton over a proven winner and PAID THE PRICE!!!!!!!

Sure Mclaren know how to build fast cars, but its a team effort and the drivers input is very important, look at the difference between Alonso and Piquet. McLaren now having backed the wrong driver are back where they started a few years ago, running around the midfield.

Sure they have the financial resources to come back but they are totally dis-functional at the moment. 20 years of proud history aside, they have made a series of absolutely horrible decisions in the last few years and are now paying the price. The last few years are not how they usually operate, you cant deny that.... caught cheating and lying, 100 million dollar fines, exclusion from championships, and now the latest blatant lying scandal.....wake up and smell the coffee !!!!!
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By bud
#105543
haha so many flaws in every passage of your post but ill start with this,
it just sounds like you put Alonso above some talented engineers in how to build a car. Alonso came to the team they were not stuffed they had designed a car that was meant for 1 tyre per race rule and were caught out by the late reg change.SO the MP4 21 had more in common with the MP4 20 in the way it treated its tyres than it should have. And guess what the MP4-22 had already been designed 8 months before Alonso had even drove the thing :yawn:

you alonso lambs make it sounds like he bloody designed and drove the car all himself. oh wait last guy to do something like that was Bruce McLaren :wavey: and if he is such a massive influence why hasnt he turned Renault around to pace setters? sure he won some lucky races last year but youre suggesting he turned around (and i quote) McLaren who were no where in 06 to having the fastest car. now why didnt Alonso do the exact same thing in 08? where Renault were no where in 07 why didnt he turn them around to pace setters in 08???? answer that one!
oh and guess what Renault were caught cheating and lying in 07 aswell remember :wink:
#105548
The combination of Hakkinen and Mclaren was the last WORKING combination the team has had, after that it has just been going down. Cheating liars should be kicked from the series. The Ferrari scandal was the last straw for me and now Mclaren is nothing but a joke.
And anyone saying that Alonso isn´t one of the most talented drivers on the track has to be joking. When a driver and team fits together aswell as Alonso and Renault then all you can exept to see is amazing results. Alonso will get another WDC title some day as long as he stays with Renault :D
#105596
haha so many flaws in every passage of your post but ill start with this,
it just sounds like you put Alonso above some talented engineers in how to build a car. Alonso came to the team they were not stuffed they had designed a car that was meant for 1 tyre per race rule and were caught out by the late reg change.SO the MP4 21 had more in common with the MP4 20 in the way it treated its tyres than it should have. And guess what the MP4-22 had already been designed 8 months before Alonso had even drove the thing :yawn:

you alonso lambs make it sounds like he bloody designed and drove the car all himself. oh wait last guy to do something like that was Bruce McLaren :wavey: and if he is such a massive influence why hasnt he turned Renault around to pace setters? sure he won some lucky races last year but youre suggesting he turned around (and i quote) McLaren who were no where in 06 to having the fastest car. now why didnt Alonso do the exact same thing in 08? where Renault were no where in 07 why didnt he turn them around to pace setters in 08???? answer that one!
oh and guess what Renault were caught cheating and lying in 07 aswell remember :wink:

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#105629
I have only raced historic GP cars (Alta) but can can say that immediately after a race, some parts of ones brain are somewhat dysfunctional. Hamilton had just completed a 2 hour demanding race in very hot conditions to find himself being given orders by his race director. I very much doubt that he was in a position to consider how serious the orders were. He was probably more robotic at this point than human.

It is always the habit to shoot the exalted off their perch and I for one hate it. Ryan does however deserve his departure from the team however.
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JdF
#105691
I have only raced historic GP cars (Alta) but can can say that immediately after a race, some parts of ones brain are somewhat dysfunctional. Hamilton had just completed a 2 hour demanding race in very hot conditions to find himself being given orders by his race director. I very much doubt that he was in a position to consider how serious the orders were. He was probably more robotic at this point than human.

It is always the habit to shoot the exalted off their perch and I for one hate it. Ryan does however deserve his departure from the team however.
regards
JdF


He had four fooking days in an air-conditioned hotel room to come clean after the first stewards' meeting!! :banghead: No more cheap excuses please!! :director:
#105696
I have only raced historic GP cars (Alta) but can can say that immediately after a race, some parts of ones brain are somewhat dysfunctional. Hamilton had just completed a 2 hour demanding race in very hot conditions to find himself being given orders by his race director. I very much doubt that he was in a position to consider how serious the orders were. He was probably more robotic at this point than human.

It is always the habit to shoot the exalted off their perch and I for one hate it. Ryan does however deserve his departure from the team however.
regards
JdF


He had four fooking days in an air-conditioned hotel room to come clean after the first stewards' meeting!! :banghead: No more cheap excuses please!! :director:


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#105846
Ladies, Gentlemen, Boys, Girls, Inanimate Objects and Jensonb, please chill out.

Everybody was chilled out.

Nice try, failed :wavey:


Failed what?
Was only kidding pal.
#105854
Ladies, Gentlemen, Boys, Girls, Inanimate Objects and Jensonb, please chill out.

Everybody was chilled out.

Nice try, failed :wavey:


Failed what?
Was only kidding pal.

Me too :D
#106109
and if he is such a massive influence why hasnt he turned Renault around to pace setters? sure he won some lucky races last year but youre suggesting he turned around (and i quote) McLaren who were no where in 06 to having the fastest car. now why didnt Alonso do the exact same thing in 08? where Renault were no where in 07 why didnt he turn them around to pace setters in 08???? answer that one!



Never said that, actually gave credit to McLarens history and ability to build fast cars.

He has turned them around. 2007 50 points ..... 2008 80 points .........Lucky wins? I suppose his qualifying times were "lucky" too aye? Mclaren were nowhere in 06.... Alonso individually scored 20 more points with Renault than the whole Mclaren team!!!! With Alonso in 07 they would have won the constructors but they were caught cheating.

Ron the control freak is slowly but surely destroying that team.
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By bud
#106147
Ok are you even reading what i wrote? I just explained to you why McLaren didnt have a stellar 06, if you call finishing 3rd in the constructors no where :bs:

Ron is ruining this team ? how old are you? do you not even know what Ron has made McLaren into???? im not going to bother with you anymore its a waste of my time :wavey:
By Gaz
#106148
and if he is such a massive influence why hasnt he turned Renault around to pace setters? sure he won some lucky races last year but youre suggesting he turned around (and i quote) McLaren who were no where in 06 to having the fastest car. now why didnt Alonso do the exact same thing in 08? where Renault were no where in 07 why didnt he turn them around to pace setters in 08???? answer that one!



Never said that, actually gave credit to McLarens history and ability to build fast cars.

He has turned them around. 2007 50 points ..... 2008 80 points .........Lucky wins? I suppose his qualifying times were "lucky" too aye? Mclaren were nowhere in 06.... Alonso individually scored 20 more points with Renault than the whole Mclaren team!!!! With Alonso in 07 they would have won the constructors but they were caught cheating.

Ron the control freak is slowly but surely destroying that team.


In 07 Lewis scored just as many points for the team as Alonso and didn't whine nearly as much.
By Tony_sa
#106183
Ok are you even reading what i wrote? I just explained to you why McLaren didnt have a stellar 06, if you call finishing 3rd in the constructors no where :bs:

Ron is ruining this team ? how old are you? do you not even know what Ron has made McLaren into???? im not going to bother with you anymore its a waste of my time :wavey:


ya you right... your could have spent your precious time doing nothing somewhere else... lol

Sorry mate but I couldnt resist responding .....
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By bud
#106184
Ok are you even reading what i wrote? I just explained to you why McLaren didnt have a stellar 06, if you call finishing 3rd in the constructors no where :bs:

Ron is ruining this team ? how old are you? do you not even know what Ron has made McLaren into???? im not going to bother with you anymore its a waste of my time :wavey:


ya you right... your could have spent your precious time doing nothing somewhere else... lol

Sorry mate but I couldnt resist responding .....


thats ok mate, i know you cant resist, because once a tosser always a tosser.....
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