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[kerc]

Yeah, Lewis should be executed in public.

Hanged, lethal injection, or the electric chair?

[McLaren Fan]

Yeah, Lewis should be executed in public.

Hanged, lethal injection, or the electric chair?

A proper apology, some form of internal discipline at McLaren and a full FIA inquiry into his behaviour would satisfy me.

[2Del]

An odd post. I don't think anybody is disputing McLaren have got things badly wrong, but Hamilton is an employee of McLaren, so he should not be absolved of blame of have his levels of blame reduced. For me, it's not so much that Hamilton was involved - this kind of thing has been going on since day one in Formula One - but that his levels of responsibility have been thoroughly dumbed down. Hamilton's "apology" was worthless, because he apologised for being mislead, which is not the same as apologising for doing wrong. And, as has been said, even if Hamilton was mislead by Ryan, it changes nothing: Hamilton was still complicit in what went on the stewards' office.

Hamilton's getting too much of the blame for things his team has been doing. Whether he knows what they're doing or not is another matter. According to some reports his contract with mclaren prevents him from officially saying what he wants when the team orders him to say otherwise (so much for no team orders).

Yes mclaren has given him an incredible opportunity but as a driver Hamilton has proven he was worth the investment. He's had great success early in his career but I think he's now concerned about what kind of legacy (if any) he may be able to leave. Each time mclaren is punished it makes him look like more of a cheater and liar even if he didn't do it.

[bud]

Denthul the stars are aligned!

Look Hamilton lied with the team for his benefit...so take the punishment with the team! take responsibility for his own actions, he was a key player in this!

[McLaren Fan]

Well, we can on talking about Hamilton's role in various incidents ad infinitum, but there's clearly no point any more.

In terms of team orders, that relates to a Schumacher-type set up at Ferrari, rather than having to watch his mouth. All teams have something similar.

[csrracer]

I also don't fully understand what you mean by saying McLaren have been unable to interpret the regulations etc. This is the first time that I can recall when McLaren have got it wrong. McLaren's relationship is less to do with their incompetence, but the FIA's long-standing dislike of McLaren.

I won't argue with FIA disliking Mclaren, I think that's plain as day, But because of this they should be extra cautious and not get themselves in this type of situation. Knowing that FIA dislikes you so much why go in and lie to the stewards ? If Hamilton was leading in the lying then why didn't Mclaren and their lawyers go straight into damage control after the first Stewards meeting?

[Jamie]

If Hamilton leaves McLaren, my opinion of him will drop even lower. And I'm not the only one.

Totally agree I think it's allot of stuff that’s flying around because they are on low at the moment, but they will pick themselves back up again trust me! Brawn believes so and so do I, I hope both the teams pick themselves up otherwise the sport has lost the 2 best teams it has.

[McLaren Fan]

I won't argue with FIA disliking Mclaren, I think that's plain as day, But because of this they should be extra cautious and not get themselves in this type of situation. Knowing that FIA dislikes you so much why go in and lie to the stewards ? If Hamilton was leading in the lying then why didn't Mclaren and their lawyers go straight into damage control after the first Stewards meeting?

I completely agree with you. I mean, only several days before the Australian Grand Prix, Dennis was threatening strike action against Ecclestone. Ecclestone, no doubt looking for a way to get back at McLaren, could not have believed his luck when McLaren shot themselves in the foot so spectacularly.

In my own view, changes must be made at McLaren. Okay, the regulations are ambiguous, but McLaren needs to do something about this. I think they need to have one person whose role it is to specifically ensure the team are within the regulations. If there are doubts, the FIA should be officially consulted for clarification before the season. Although teams do bend the rules as much as possible, including when talking about incidents in the stewards' office, McLaren should play things as honestly as possible. Whitmarsh is a good engineer, competent administrator and a nice guy, but he's demonstrated he's not management material. He should be demoted to his old job as soon as a suitable candidate for Team Principle emerges. Never again should such mismanagement - or non-existent management! - be allowed to occur.

[2Del]

In terms of team orders, that relates to a Schumacher-type set up at Ferrari, rather than having to watch his mouth. All teams have something similar.

I'm not so sure anymore.

[kerc]

I won't argue with FIA disliking Mclaren, I think that's plain as day, But because of this they should be extra cautious and not get themselves in this type of situation. Knowing that FIA dislikes you so much why go in and lie to the stewards ? If Hamilton was leading in the lying then why didn't Mclaren and their lawyers go straight into damage control after the first Stewards meeting?

I completely agree with you. I mean, only several days before the Australian Grand Prix, Dennis was threatening strike action against Ecclestone. Ecclestone, no doubt looking for a way to get back at McLaren, could not have believed his luck when McLaren shot themselves in the foot so spectacularly.

In my own view, changes must be made at McLaren. Okay, the regulations are ambiguous, but McLaren needs to do something about this. I think they need to have one person whose role it is to specifically ensure the team are within the regulations. If there are doubts, the FIA should be officially consulted for clarification before the season. Although teams do bend the rules as much as possible, including when talking about incidents in the stewards' office, McLaren should play things as honestly as possible. Whitmarsh is a good engineer, competent administrator and a nice guy, but he's demonstrated he's not management material. He should be demoted to his old job as soon as a suitable candidate for Team Principle emerges. Never again should such mismanagement - or non-existent management! - be allowed to occur.

Agreed!

[csrracer]

Denthul the stars are aligned!

Look Hamilton lied with the team for his benefit...so take the punishment with the team! take responsibility for his own actions, he was a key player in this!

That's confusing... When the team loses WDC points doesn't he lose those also? He wasn't a key player he was a puppet in Mclaren's poor team management, maybe he's not getting a worse penalty because FIA understands this.....

[Jamie]

I won't argue with FIA disliking Mclaren, I think that's plain as day, But because of this they should be extra cautious and not get themselves in this type of situation. Knowing that FIA dislikes you so much why go in and lie to the stewards ? If Hamilton was leading in the lying then why didn't Mclaren and their lawyers go straight into damage control after the first Stewards meeting?

I completely agree with you. I mean, only several days before the Australian Grand Prix, Dennis was threatening strike action against Ecclestone. Ecclestone, no doubt looking for a way to get back at McLaren, could not have believed his luck when McLaren shot themselves in the foot so spectacularly.

In my own view, changes must be made at McLaren. Okay, the regulations are ambiguous, but McLaren needs to do something about this. I think they need to have one person whose role it is to specifically ensure the team are within the regulations. If there are doubts, the FIA should be officially consulted for clarification before the season. Although teams do bend the rules as much as possible, including when talking about incidents in the stewards' office, McLaren should play things as honestly as possible. Whitmarsh is a good engineer, competent administrator and a nice guy, but he's demonstrated he's not management material. He should be demoted to his old job as soon as a suitable candidate for Team Principle emerges. Never again should such mismanagement - or non-existent management! - be allowed to occur.

Agreed!

[Denthúl]

Denthul the stars are aligned!

Look Hamilton lied with the team for his benefit...so take the punishment with the team! take responsibility for his own actions, he was a key player in this!

That's confusing... When the team loses WDC points doesn't he lose those also? He wasn't a key player he was a puppet in Mclaren's poor team management, maybe he's not getting a worse penalty because FIA understands this.....

Don't be silly. He was quite involved in the whole thing. You're believing exactly what McLaren want you to!

[csrracer]

Denthul the stars are aligned!

Look Hamilton lied with the team for his benefit...so take the punishment with the team! take responsibility for his own actions, he was a key player in this!

That's confusing... When the team loses WDC points doesn't he lose those also? He wasn't a key player he was a puppet in Mclaren's poor team management, maybe he's not getting a worse penalty because FIA understands this.....

Don't be silly. He was quite involved in the whole thing. You're believing exactly what McLaren want you to!

Of course he's involved He's a Mclaren employee and being so he's being steered in the wrong direction due to Mclaren's piss poor team managing. I'm sorry but I think it's childlike for people to think that driver's are saints, and should always do the right thing in regards to Morals. If you want a saint driving your car go hire Ghandi.
To sit behind a keyboard pointing a finger at a driver saying he's scum for lying is infantile. Hamilton is paid a huge sum of money to be a team player, and when your team says lie you lie. I think it's total BS for anyone here to say they wouldn't do the same thing. People on this Forum lie for free imagine what morals they'd break for several million dollars a year, and a chance to just travel with a top F1 team.

[Denthúl]

Denthul the stars are aligned!

Look Hamilton lied with the team for his benefit...so take the punishment with the team! take responsibility for his own actions, he was a key player in this!

That's confusing... When the team loses WDC points doesn't he lose those also? He wasn't a key player he was a puppet in Mclaren's poor team management, maybe he's not getting a worse penalty because FIA understands this.....

Don't be silly. He was quite involved in the whole thing. You're believing exactly what McLaren want you to!

Of course he's involved He's a Mclaren employee and being so he's being steered in the wrong direction due to Mclaren's piss poor team managing. I'm sorry but I think it's childlike for people to think that driver's are saints, and should always do the right thing in regards to Morals. If you want a saint driving your car go hire Ghandi.
To sit behind a keyboard pointing a finger at a driver saying he's scum for lying is infantile. Hamilton is paid a huge sum of money to be a team player, and when your team says lie you lie. I think it's total BS for anyone here to say they wouldn't do the same thing. People on this Forum lie for free imagine what morals they'd break for several million dollars a year, and a chance to just travel with a top F1 team.

Hey. I could have been £5,000 better off if I'd lied and submitted a claim for compensation when the accident was entirely my fault. There was nobody to disprove me, so I'd easily have gotten away with it. But I didn't do it. I don't care how much I'm paid, I value my morals far more than I value being a 'team player'. To lie for such benefit, in the way that Lewis and McLaren did, would be to compromise my beliefs and that is something I am not willing to do.